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Assuming Scheyer keeps playing the way he has, is he worthy of having his number retired? I know it is early, but it seems that we would meet all the requirements (graduation, potential all American status, potential school record with season assist / turnover)
What do you guys think?
Personally, I'd rather just appreciate the way he's playing and worry about this sort of thing after the season. Which is a long way off. But possibly that's just me.Originally Posted by buckshot
I'd like to see a long run in March and he gets a ring.
~rthomas
Retire Scheyer?
No, I think we should let him play the rest of the year.
Not unless he wins National Player of the Year and/or leads the team to a national championship. There are a number of Duke greats who don't have their numbers retired, including three guys who topped 2,000 points (Alarie, Banks, Spanarkel).
Scheyer is having a great senior season to cap a very solid Duke career. But unless the team has a great March/April AND Scheyer continues his phenomenal start individually, I just don't see him getting his jersey retired.
But that's not a discredit to Scheyer. It's just a credit to the great careers of the guys whose numbers are retired. I agree with the poster who said let's just enjoy Scheyer's season as is.
No Gene Banks then No Jon Scheyer. He MUST lead us to a championship before I consider it. That is that.
Andre Dawkins -- 2011 Final Four MOP
I disagree. Banks was outstanding but Scheyer is better. Johnny Dawkins did not win a championship unless you count ACC Tournsments and no one could question retiring his jersey. If Scheyer's year continues the way it has started it should be an easy call.
I'm not sure Tink v. Scheyer is that cut-and-dried. Tink was more - um - athletic. Jon sees and anticipates the game better.
That said, JD set the Duke scoring record - breaking G-Man's jersey-retiring record. I don't see how Jon can do that - JJ put it pretty far out of reach.
Should he remain the primary team leader and take us to the FF, I'll consider it. Or even more than consider it.
-jk
Make your case between Banks and Scheyer, if you can, but the Dawkins-no championship reference is simply irrelevant to the discussion. JD is arguably the most important Duke player of the Coach K era. Without him, K may not have survived.
Jon's body of work needs a bit more than an AA season to make the case.
Last edited by 77devil; 01-07-2010 at 06:39 PM.
Johnny Dawkins is in another level and completely incomparable. He was NPOY, a two time All-American, took Duke to the Championship game, and was the most important player in the history of Duke Basketball (if you ask K at least). Scheyer may deserve, but will not win, the NPOY award when it is all said and done. So he needs that championship. However in the absence of that award and a championship, he shouldn't get it. If you look at those rafters, every player under K was a leader on a championship team or a national player of the year, defensive or overall.
The point is, there will be more or equally deserving candidates if Scheyer wins it without a NPOY or Championship.
Andre Dawkins -- 2011 Final Four MOP
I'm pretty sure that Duke has standard qualifications that must be met before a jersey can be retired. IIRC, when JJ and Shelden were being considered for the honor, they said that it was automatic if a player is voted national player of the year or defensive player of the year.
Nothing is automatic. Tommy Amaker, Billy King, and Wojo all won national defensive player of the year, and you won't ever see any of their jerseys in the rafters (well, Amaker's number is up there, but not because he wore it).
msdukie sounds like he knows what he's talking about here:
http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/...1&postcount=19
Incidentally, that thread was eventually shut down by Jumbo:
http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/...1&postcount=23
Last edited by 91_92_01_10; 01-07-2010 at 11:19 AM. Reason: spelling
One of the intangible qualifications which is shared by the Duke players whose numbers are retired is program changing influence.
I love watching Jon play and think he's a premier player, but I'm not sure that he's significantly changed the Duke program..... yet.
At this point, if any player's number were to be retired, it would be Gene Banks who was overlooked earlier.
As for being automatic, retiring a number at Duke is anything but that. For many years Eddie Cameron would not agree to any retirement other than Dick Groat's number. In recent years the qualifications have become more nearly consistent, there's no automatic selection.
My thoughts exactly!Retire Scheyer?
No, I think we should let him play the rest of the year.
Coach K recently mentioned the retirement requirements, I think on last week's TV show. NPOY or NDPOY are among the requirements, as is graduation (paging Elton Brand, paging Elton Brand). The show was a retrospective and had a segment on retired jerseys - he wasn't talking about any current players.
Once a player is in the Hall of Honor, and Banks, Alarie and Spanarkel are, supposedly you can't/won't have your jersey retired. I still wish Dunleavy had stayed for his senior year so there could have been a "double" #34 ceremony for him and Jimmy.
After last night's game, I'm starting to think Jon Scheyer may just get his NPOY. I sure hope so because it would mean great things for this Duke team!
If you want to get a sense of the stature of players whose numbers are retired, take a few minutes to look at the pictures of the members of the Duke Hall of Fame.
Absolutely!!!! (Even if he is "alarmingly unathletic").
you're alarming unathletic. I predict a scheyer breakaway dunk during the month of January, just like JJ did.
Silky Shmoove Singler
From my understanding, graduation isn't the requirement, the requirement is that the player earned their degree....so for instance if G won NPOY last year, and then got his degree down the road, he could possibly retired
maybe i'm wrong, but that's how I've read K quoted
Connecticut '89
Pratt '10
MEM '11
3 Teams, 13 National Chamionships
K: 1991 1992 2001 2010
Calhoun: 1999 2004
Auriemma: 1995 2000 2002 2003 2004 2009 2010
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