I hear what you are saying - just hard to swallow if it was someone behind the bench. as fans we say some stupid things in the heat of a game. I know i have before.Originally Posted by JDev
anyways now that pitt lost - you guys will get number 1. we'll end up 1 and 4 in the east region in the ncaa - and we'll see you in boston.
No doubt. If the situation was reversed I'm sure I wouldn't be thrilled by the mere thought that it might have been someone not invovled in the game. As far as the later meeting, I think that one of the things that the tournament selection commitee tries to do is avoid rematches whenever possible prior to the Final Four. I know that doesn't always work, but they try.
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I think Georgetown is better than a 4 seed. I expect them to be a 1, 2, or 3.
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I was sitting across from the GU bench. The ref's body language showed that he certainly believed it was Monroe. And Monroe seemed surprised. No telling what actually happened, though I believe the ref will have to report it to the ACC. And we'll never see the report.
I have a friend who won't sit behind the Duke bench for just that risk.
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Monroe was quite animated in reacting some of his fouls, particularly his first and third. That surprised me, because I had read about how calm he was for a freshman, and those foul calls were good calls. That might have influenced the refs on the technical. Obviously, I have no idea whether he said anything or not.
Look, if Monroe didn’t say anything, then it was a big-time mistake by the official. There’s no getting around it. He should have been more than sure it was Monroe before pointing the finger at him.
But there’s another issue here that Georgetown fans are going to be loathe to bring up in public. Those seats behind the visiting bench are premium, tightly held tickets. The people who occupy those seats are given their tickets by players, coaches, and VVIPs. In other words, it’s a great privilege to sit in those seats, and that privilege should carry with it expectations of a certain level of decorum. And it is ultimately the responsibility of the head coach to make it clear to everyone distributing those tickets that during the game, the fans in those seats should comport themselves as if they were actually on the team.
Georgetown supporters can complain about the injustice of the whole thing; and again, if Monroe didn’t say anything, then it’s worse than a raw deal. But let’s not let the Georgetown coaching staff off the hook completely.
If I understand JTIII at all, he's taking the bullet for this one. Because either justice was served, or he didn't do his job with those fans (all of whom would prefer watching and sitting quietly to being dressed down by the head Hoya).
This is right on, IMO. I've been to many Georgetown games in D.C. over the years and sat behind the bench on several occasions. I can tell you that some of their fans are really "dirty-mouthed" and ride the opposing players and refs mercilessly non-stop throughout the game. To the point that fellow GT fans will ask those boorish types to please pipe down.
I have to guess whatever was said was pretty strong for an experienced ref to react so strongly. Now that it's done, it really doesn't matter if what was said came from the fans rather than a player. All those Georgetown partisans who are so upset about this call and for some reason are blaming Duke for this supposed travesty, ought to be pouring out their pain and anger towards their own bench and fans.
I totally agree with this sentiment. As happy as I was with the win and the quality of play, this could be a tighter game outside of CIS.
BTW, are the G'town fans concerned at all about Monroe's minutes and that he might wear down, especially being a freshman?
I was at the game. Monroe definitely said something. Whether or not what HE said was what the ref called the tech for could be disputable I suppose. It is worth noting that Monroe was the only one on the bench standing with the coaches when the tech was given.
Though less likely, it could have been a fan's words that provoked the tech, but if I were a Hoya fan I would rather believe that it was Monroe. If the tech was for Monroe's words... okay, that stinks, but he was being passionate during a hard-fought game. That's understandable.
If it was a Georgetown fan, that means that georgetown fans are hurting their team rather than helping. It would reflect poorly on all georgetown fans whether such a generalization is deserved or not.
Andre Dawkins -- 2011 Final Four MOP
I've been hoping that someone who was at the game would chime in. On TV, you could hear the Crazies react to something just before the whistle blew, and a photographer who was right in front of Scheyer turned his camera toward the G-town bench, so we could tell *something* big was going on. It seems to me that the Crazies would be less likely to notice and react to a fan mouthing off than Monroe.
Disclaimer: I've not read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if I'm repeating this...
The sequence was this: There was an out of bounds call that resulted in Duke having an in-bounds play at G'Town's end. JT3 had an extended conversation with the official who eventually called the T. It was a conversation, JT3 was not yelling and it looked like he was relatively satisifed with what he was told. The Crazies began shouting for JT3 to get off the court during this exchange. The official gave the ball to Duke (Scheyer?) under the hoop and it was about to be inbounded when the whistle came. JT3's back was to the official and he turned and looked in confusion. I thought he had recieved the T until he adamatlly pointed at Monroe who instantaneously jumped up from his seat on the bench and started pointing to the G'Town fans directly behind thier bench. Most of my friends thought JT3 had recieved the T while I thought it was Monroe. The announcer shortly confirmed that it was Monroe.
WWJDD?
For the record, it looked like right before the T a Georgetown female fan (Player's mother?) yelled the words "F You" to the Ref as he went bye.....as I was on the other side i couldn't hear it but it certainly looked like she mouthed those words right before the T.
Now if monroe said anything I would not have any clue.
<devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink
This was the most impressive win of the year against what I consider the most talented opponent we've faced yet. I was very surprised and impressed that we shot so well against a tough defense.
I was very happy to see Plumlee come off the bench early and have a positive impact, even for just a few plays. Williams also hit his only shot. I still think we'll be a better team if those two get more minutes going forward, but I can't criticize the team's performance or K for how he managed the game today.
Paulus seems to be getting better/healthier, which is also very important. He has the ability to change a game on the offensive side when he hits a couple of 3's, especially at home, where he galvanizes the crowd. As others have mentioned, if he can be effective as a scorer coming off the bench, we become deeper and more dangerous.
I wonder if Smith is still bothered by his knee injury. During the first half, he looked a little lackluster, but in the second half he became a little more active. There was a drive he had for an easy layup in the mid-to-late second half which I would like to see more of. Why can't he look for that more consistently? If he can work on that aspect of his game, we would drastically improve offensively. I would like to see him work on driving into the line more often, and looking to score or set up his teammates on the wings. I have little doubt he has the ability to do it consistently, but I wonder why he does it so little. Hope he gets a little more assertive in that regard. But he played a fine game, which was all we needed because Henderson was the man today.
Speaking of G, he really took over offensively. It's great to have two players who can create their own shot so effectively, like Gerald and Singler can. As Anthony pointed out a couple of times, Singler is such a great player because he impacts the game even when his shot isn't falling, which it hasn't for a few games now. He's a great rebounder and gives us a toughness many of our teams have lacked over the past few years. I would still like to see Kyle take less 3's and drive to the rim more, in order to make his game more efficient. But he was a beast today.
I was very worried about this game because our offense had been in such a funk. There are still things to work on, but I was very impressed by the effort and execution today. Hopefully we can continue to improve as the season progresses.
Great win.
Gerald is playing like we expected him to at the beginning of the year. Kyle is a stud and is afraid of nothing. Diving 3 or 4 rows into the stands. Jon played a great floor game, 11pts, 5 assists, 1 TO and 3 steals. His defense is really good and no one notices. Zoubs & Lance did not play much and it looks like Miles is going to get some of their mins. He showed up well today. Nolan played very good D and did not hurt us. Greg is beginning to look more like the player we know he can be. I like this team. Go Duke!
This Duke team is a very good counter punching team. They play a bit to the level of their opponents but find a way to keep themselves close and don't panic. They seem to get a flurry in from time to time and hit their throws when needed. I am not sure Duke still has the inside players to compete with the teams with elite big men- but counterpunchers can do their damage other ways. Singler has an amazing feel for the game. He is an outstanding rebounder for his size- which is more about understanding where the ball is going to come off the rim and getting to the spot- than it is about jumping high. G is playing well although his feel for the game and game situations is still not there. That said- he is taking better advantage of his gifts. Paulus gave Duke a big lift today. He is what he is but he is a tough kid and likes to mix it up. Scheyer picks his spots- it would be great if he could be a bit more consistent with his shooting but I think that will come. Still he brings a lot to the table each night. Smith is coming along but still not quite comfortable. Still his D is good and consistent. The big hole right now is in the Center position. Since conference play started, the three headed center has not been very good. Duke needs them to be much better. Perhaps with some more game experience, Plumlee could be that guy- but someone needs to step up to get garbage shots and get some more bounds. With all that said, the counterpunching team continues to win. Some more tests coming up.
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Nice show, boys
My two cents, such as it is:
Loved seeing Greg get worked up. I don't know if the camera caught it, but did anyone see Greg slap the floor? You can't beat that!
I really enjoyed Plumlee's minutes, especially the defense. It doesn't really show on the stat sheet, but I think he stymied Monroe at a key point. However, unlike a few others, I'm not ready to write of Lance and Zoub yet. They have both given us quality minutes this season, and Zoub in particular has shown more poise and committed fewer mistakes. They will be role players against particular teams and will be able to deliver, just like we hope Miles will be able to deliver as well. He certainly showed promise today.
Kyle, G and Jon. As a triumvirate, they are becoming even more dependable. The real core of this team. Love it. G has been on fire the last three games. I think we're all glad that his confidence has come back.
Question: Who is the guy on Nolan Smith's tattoo? Is that what the big pad was covering up last year? For some reason I didn't really notice it until now.
It's of his father. Derek Smith.
His arm wasn't covered up last year because of the tattoo, but because he bad a bruise that wouldn't go away. Anyway, ESPN.com ran a article last year on Nolan Smith. I couldn't find it or else i would of posted it. Great great article.
Great, thanks.
I think there are 2 fantastic things about this game and one disheartening one
1) Consistency. Duke didn't really hit a drought, didn't really hit a defensive lull. They just played Duke basketball for 40 solid min and won. Same with the GT game.
2) Plumlee: In his first significant minutes of 2009 he contributed. I was starting to be concerned with his lack of play. Now, you can see that he has a role on this team helping to guard some of the more "difficult"/versatile opponents big men.
And the bad
1) Lance Thomas needs to step it up. I still have faith in him, he had the best non-conference we've ever seen him play. I still believe he's better than he's playing, but he's going to need to show it soon.
It's too long till Wednesday...
Here is what Coach K said about Plumlee
"Plumlee came in and did a great job for us. We have a versatile team, and we should be able to use our personnel to match up against someone the way we did, and that’s why we did it."
this is why we our depth is a force multiplier. Dave can come in and defend at every position. Kyle can play both inside and outside. John, Greg, and Nolan can all bring the ball up the floor. It awesome.
Great, great win...
...and quick other thought, how weird is it to see a Georgetown team with this much offensive power. They certainly are not the father's Hoyas.
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