Lost 4/24 - Spoilers

[Udaman]

Holy smokes. That...just rocked.

We got some answers, but so many questions as well.

Things I'm not convinced of:

1) When Ben went in the room that he called the smoke - I think he might have teleported to the desert where we saw him during the flashes.

2) That the bad guy killed Nadia. It could have been Ben.

Big questions I have:

1) Why can't Ben kill Charles?
2) Why is Charles having nightmares?
3) What were the rules that got changed? Is this all some game?

And this isn't even touching the fact that Ben's daughter got killed.

The acting on this show is just superb - everyone knocked it out of the park today. Now we get the big showdown - Ben hunting for Penny, Charles hunting for the island. Jack wanting to get back (why, I'm not sure), and the question of what happened to everyone not included in the Final 6 (and why they don't tell anyone about what really happened).

Man, just awesome. Is it next Thursday yet?

[OZZIE4DUKE]

No one can complain that nothing happened tonight!

When the Smoke Monster came barreling into camp, it reminded me of the ghost train in Ghost Busters 1. You remember, the train that ran right through the 4th guy. Good Smoke Monster, yes you are!

It was interesting that Ben asked the date and wanted to confirm the year was 2005.

Why was Hurley so willing to go with Ben and Locke?

[jimbonelson]

wow what a great show. I remember last year in a show when Locke took ben out to look for Jacob, the look on Bens face when Locke could not remeber how to find the cabin but Hurley knew were it was

[OZZIE4DUKE]

When the Smoke Monster came barreling into camp, it reminded me of the ghost train in Ghost Busters 1.

Or was that Ghost Busters 2?

[twisterduke81]

Why was Hurley so willing to go with Ben and Locke?

I think Hurley realizes more than he is willing to verbalize. He has some sense of Jacob but chooses not to deal with him.

So they didn't kill Claire. I thought they might.

Why can Ben and his people get on and off the island but others can't even find it? Great episode

[riverside6]

I'm starting to think the reason Aaron gets off the island without Claire and Jack doesn't want to see Aaron in the future is because Jack is taken off the island due to his newfound appendix issue and as a result Claire is left behind.

[Udaman]

The only problem I have with Lost right now (and hopefully it is temporary) is that there are a ton of questions from prior seasons that they don't seem even close to answering. Things like:

1) Why did the children and some passengers get taken just after the crash - those on the "good" list. Where are they?

2) Where are the original Others? We haven't seen them all season.

3) What's going on with Jack's dad?

4) What was up with the number pressing? Why were the others really on the island to begin with?

There are 2 + seasons left, so plenty of time to answer these things. But right now many of them aren't on the radar at all...and I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.

Still - best show on TV right now (with Battlestar a close second)

[blublood]

I'm starting to think the reason Aaron gets off the island without Claire and Jack doesn't want to see Aaron in the future is because Jack is taken off the island due to his newfound appendix issue and as a result Claire is left behind.

If that's the case, almost certainly there was some other circumstance that played into the decision too. You know Jack and his savior complex - he would far rather die than deny Claire the chance to raise Aaron. (although I have to say, having had appendicitis myself, it would be a terrible way to go. I've never been in so much pain in my life, and that includes having children)

I also don't think that Ben called the smoke monster from the hidden room in the hidden room. It makes more sense in the course of events that he went to Tunisia, London, etc. to begin hunting down Widmore's guys in the (now) blood feud. It was certainly strongly suggested by the way Michael Emerson reacted that he was lying to Sayid from the beginning. Whenever he gets that fixed, bug-eyed look, don't trust him as far as you can throw him.

I think that he can't kill Charles Widmore for the same reason that Michael can't die, as much as we would all like him to. Widmore still has "work to do" in this story. However - if Ben succeeds in killing Penny, won't he also effectively eliminate Desmond since she is his constant? Or was that whole consciousness-traveling thing a one-time deal?

Also, didn't love the confrontation between Ben and Widmore. It come off very cliched IMO.

[blublood]

... which I forgot about just now, is surrounding the doctor! What do we infer from the freighter folk saying "The doctor is fine"? That it's fine that he's dead or that he's on the ship right now? And if it's the latter - what the crap?? Is this an Orchid bunny situation?

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

The lighting in the Ben vs Widmore scene was very interesting. Each of them had half of their faces lit and half in shadow. Was this showing that they are similarly made up of both good and evil, or that they are opposites? with Ben the Yin to Widmore's Yang.

Ben could easily have killed Naomi to get Sayid to turn hitman, but that doesn't seem quite right. I have no idea, why Widmore would have killed Naomi however. Neither scenario makes a ton of sense. Another option?

It was pretty shocking that Alex got killed like that, and even more shocking to see Ben distraught. Is Ben becoming good?

FYI, Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) is answering questions on the Wash Post live chat (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/04/23/DI2008042303354.html?hpid=features1&hpv=local) today at 1:30pm.

[alteran]

No one can complain that nothing happened tonight!

When the Smoke Monster came barreling into camp, it reminded me of the ghost train in Ghost Busters 1. You remember, the train that ran right through the 4th guy. Good Smoke Monster, yes you are!

It was interesting that Ben asked the date and wanted to confirm the year was 2005.

Why was Hurley so willing to go with Ben and Locke?

SMOKE MONSTER: awesome. Agreed-- looked like a ghost freight train. Why didn't it kill what's-his-face, the captain guy, shown in next week's previews? If that guy survived, did any of the other mercs?

JACOB/HURLEY/LOCKE: I find it sad/strange that Locke's first instinct is to point a gun at Hurley. Why not ask Hurley to stay with him and Ben long enough to find the cabin? Only point the gun if Hurley refuses. It's either bad writing or Locke is on a slippery slope. He didn't NEED to threaten Hurley, and he didn't need to kill Naomi.

SAYYID: Okay, now we know why he's working with Ben. But why did Widmore kills Sayyid's wife? Unless... BEN killed Sayyid's wife. The only proof we have of Widmore's complicity in her death is Ben's word.

p.s. Bummer about Penny being in Ben's sights.

JACK, ILLNESS, OCEANIC SIX: Okay, we see real proof of why he HAS to leave the island (and the castaways) behind, and I think whomever said Jack may be rescued in lieu of Claire may be on to something. Also, Faraday flat-out said, "we're not going to rescue you." I think there's some compelling reason that that Widmore WON'T let people off the island, but the Lostaways find leverage to strike a bargain to remove six.

BEN, 2005, EXITING THE ISLAND: Apparently, there's WAY more possibility for time flux than we realized during exits and entrances.

It looks to me like within Ben's secret room you can exit the island to other points on the earth, which explains the polar bears, and the polar bear bones in the Tunisian desert. We were shown nothing of that room except its primitive-looking entrance door (which operated by hydraulics).

This reminds me of this completely crazy theory a friend sent me a while ago about the Island being on an alternate moon orbiting Earth out of phase (or something), but still captured in the same gravitational well. He calculated 6 points where an orbit would intersect earth's surface. What's funny is that several of these points have appeared in the show SINCE he posted the theory, lending it some credence. Ben's exit into the Sahara is yet more proof for the theory.

Here's a synopsis (http://www.popcritics.com/2008/03/the-lost-earth-mirror-matter-moon-theory/), here's the original theory in all its compulsive glory (http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/), and here's various corroborating evidence (http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/#further_evidence).

I think some variant of this will turn out to be the underlying mechanics explaining what's going on in Lost. There's a lot here I don't buy (his explanation of Smokey), but I think he's in the right ballpark, and the more the show reveals, the more he looks like he's close.

[alteran]

The lighting in the Ben vs Widmore scene was very interesting. Each of them had half of their faces lit and half in shadow. Was this showing that they are similarly made up of both good and evil, or that they are opposites? with Ben the Yin to Widmore's Yang.

Ben could easily have killed Naomi to get Sayid to turn hitman, but that doesn't seem quite right. I have no idea, why Widmore would have killed Naomi however. Neither scenario makes a ton of sense. Another option?



Two things: Sayid's wife is NADIA, not Naomi. Naomi is the quasi-paramilitary chick killed by Locke in last season's finale because she was contacting the boat. Nadia was allegedly killed by Widmore's folks.

Very confusing to have two characters with names so similar, both murdered.

Next, the black/white thing parses well with the theory I outlined above.

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

Two things: Sayid's wife is NADIA, not Naomi. Naomi is the quasi-paramilitary chick killed by Locke in last season's finale because she was contacting the boat. Nadia was allegedly killed by Widmore's folks.

Very confusing to have two characters with names so similar, both murdered.

Next, the black/white thing parses well with the theory I outlined above.

In my head I was typing Nadia. Whoops.

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2) Where are the original Others? We haven't seen them all season.


Ben sent them to "the temple" when he took off to intercept Jack et al. on their way to the antenna.

this is the same place that he directed his daughter, rousseau, and carl for safety.

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I also don't think that Ben called the smoke monster from the hidden room in the hidden room.

The only thing that made me think he called it was how he knew it was coming and new how to act in its presence... he also knew that the losties wouldn't be harmed by it and could go outside safely...

[JasonEvans]

Many thoughts and questions--

1) I need to go back and look at what Ben looked like every time we saw him in this episode. The times he was on the island, he was beaten up and bruised in his face. He did not have similar bruises when he was in 2005 chatting with Sayid. My first thought when Ben ran off into the secret closet was that he was time traveling to the Tunisian desert, but I don't think that works because Ben looked so different in the two locations. I do think he teleported/time-traveled there but not directly from his secret room

2) I know a lot of folks are speculating that Ben killed Nadia, but I do not buy that. Ben showed up at the hotel in Tunisia and saw Sayid on the TV complaining about the media hounding him and saying "I just want to bury my wife." Ben may have arranged for the killing, but he did not do it himself. Still, it was impossible not to note and enjoy Ben's smile after getting Sayid to be his hit man.

3) The Doctor is fine?!?!!? I am betting that the doc dies in the future and then floats to the island. Communications from the island to the outside world clearly are influenced by time travel.

4) Smokey returns and kicks some butt!! I guess Ben called him, but I am betting Ben did a lot more than that when he went into his closet compartment.

5) Ben's conversation with Charles Whitmore. Clearly, this was the most important moment in the show. These guys know each other well. "The rules" matter a lot to them. I am betting that Ben and Charles both know how to look into the future (or have looked into the future at some point) and in Ben's version of the future, Ben's daughter did not die. Now we have Ben going after Penny! I predict at some point we see Sayid ready to pull the trigger on some unknown female target only to see Desmond holding hands with that target!

I need to watch some key moments from this one again, that's for sure. I also feel like we are getting very close to some answers to some questions.

--Jason "what a wonderful show!" Evans

[Duvall]

Now we have Ben going after Penny! I predict at some point we see Sayid ready to pull the trigger on some unknown female target only to see Desmond holding hands with that target!


Sayid has already seen Desmond's picture of Penny, hasn't he?

[JasonEvans]

Sayid has already seen Desmond's picture of Penny, hasn't he?

Yeah, but I am not sure he would recognize her right away from just seeing her picture once. I could buy him not knowing her until he saw Desmond too.

--Jason "I am not sure about this because I think, in the end, Ben will be a good guy (sorta)" Evans

[Cell-R]

Holy smokes. That...just rocked.

We got some answers, but so many questions as well.

Things I'm not convinced of:

1) When Ben went in the room that he called the smoke - I think he might have teleported to the desert where we saw him during the flashes.

2) That the bad guy killed Nadia. It could have been Ben.

Big questions I have:

1) Why can't Ben kill Charles?
2) Why is Charles having nightmares?
3) What were the rules that got changed? Is this all some game?

And this isn't even touching the fact that Ben's daughter got killed.

The acting on this show is just superb - everyone knocked it out of the park today. Now we get the big showdown - Ben hunting for Penny, Charles hunting for the island. Jack wanting to get back (why, I'm not sure), and the question of what happened to everyone not included in the Final 6 (and why they don't tell anyone about what really happened).

Man, just awesome. Is it next Thursday yet?


1) I don't think that Ben was teleported to the Sahara from the room last night, it seems hard to imagine, and for what purpose would he do that? I think he gets teleported closer to the end of the season.
2) I could see Ben being the one who killed Nadia (or at least had her killed)


Did we learn that Ben can't kill Charles? I mean, it seems as if all of this could be a game, or that he wants Charles to suffer before he dies (by watching his daughter die).

I think Charles is having nightmares because of something that is haunting him, probably something that we wouldn't expect.

My first thoughts about "the rules being changed" were that Charles and Ben were at war, but respected each other. No cheap shots, etc. It seems as though Ben was just as stunned to find out the rules had changed as he was that he caused his daughters death. :confused:


I don't think that everybody is rescued at the same time either, I predict that all 6 find different ways off the island, one at a time.

[jimbonelson]

why is Jacob so important?

[JasonEvans]

why is Jacob so important?

Well, we don't know enough to even begin to answer that, but the fact that both Ben and Locke see Jacob as the person who will tell them what to do, the person who will guide them, well it obviously makes Jacob quite important.

I am guessing that Jacob somehow represents the spirit of the Island. He is sorta the ultimate protector of the island, perhaps the first human to come to the island or something like that.

Ready for my totally uninformed, random guess about what we will see next when we see Jacob again? I am betting we see Charlie sitting in Jacob's rocking chair the next time we visit the shack... or we see Dave. Because Hurley is the one leading us to the shack now, "Jacob" will be someone connected to Hurley.

Just a random guess, but I think that could be fun.

--Jason "as an aside, it was kinda fun to see 3 or 4 random lostaways from the plane get offed so quickly in front of Sawyer-- woulda been nice if he had reacted to their loss a bit more, at least pretended like they had names, ya know?" Evans

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Ready for my totally uninformed, random guess about what we will see next when we see Jacob again? I am betting we see Charlie sitting in Jacob's rocking chair the next time we visit the shack... or we see Dave. Because Hurley is the one leading us to the shack now, "Jacob" will be someone connected to Hurley.


That would be fun... but I seem to recall that one of the times we saw Jacob, he took a form that was somewhat like Christian Shephard... I'm not sure on that...but I think I recall Damon & Carlton noting that as well in a podcast.. I think it was when Hurley looked in the window.. Now, Hurley could have a connection to Christian that we don't know, but we don't know of anyone who has been to see Jacob that had a connection to Christian... (unless Jacob could leave the cabin and appeared to Jack (or the dog in the mobisodes) just standing in the woods as Christian). I've confused myself now.

Is this ringing a bell with anyone?

[GDT]

Is this ringing a bell with anyone?

I think that's right - when Hurley looked in, Christian was sitting in the chair. But it still wouldn't surprise me to see Charlie sitting there.

I liked how the writers got Claire to say Chaaalee again. You just can't get enough of that. Apparently. Also, I wonder if it's going to come down at some point to Sayid v Desmond with Penny's life in the balance.

[JasonEvans]

Oh, one more thing, best moment in the entire episode was when Ben was being held by the Tunisian nomad dudes and he just kicked their butts in a matter of seconds.

We have mostly only seen Ben as a master of logic and persuasion. I loved seeing him as a badI'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this. when it comes to hand-to-hand combat too.

--Jason "http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/05/10_lost_lgl.jpg" Evans

[DukeDevil]

To add some credence to the time travel/teleport, the guys in the desert were saying in Arabic something to the effect of "there are no footprints!" (ie: ben was laying in the sand and no footprints leading up to his location).

[alteran]

To add some credence to the time travel/teleport, the guys in the desert were saying in Arabic something to the effect of "there are no footprints!" (ie: ben was laying in the sand and no footprints leading up to his location).

My aunt came over and wanted to watch, so I watched the episode again. This time I noticed that not only was Ben wearing a fur-collared cold-weather jacket at the beginning, but there was mist around him as if he had just been in a freezer (or the arctic).

Also, Jason's right about Ben and killing Nadia-- I think it's still possible that he's involved, but it's probably more likely that he was just taking advantage of someone killing her.

[BCGroup]

I do not like that Penny is now in Ben's sights. A very random thought--with the whole timeshifting thing--any chance Ben is somehow using Desmond to get to Penny? I thought Widmore somehow managed to get Desmond "lost" from Penny, but now I don't know. Ok, I love Lost, and I really like that I can't figure it all out.

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This time I noticed that not only was Ben wearing a fur-collared cold-weather jacket at the beginning, but there was mist around him as if he had just been in a freezer (or the arctic).


I just listened to the latest podcast today.. and they specifically mentioned "the mist."

They also stated that it would be a "reasonable inference" that Ben summoned Smokey. While short of confirming it, it seemed their intent was to confirm it.

[BCGroup]

" In this case, we said the way that we want to do time travel on Lost is consciousness based, as opposed to somebody gets in a DeLorean or a HG Wells-like apparatus and zaps themself back in time where they can interact with an earlier version of themself. It's more interesting if your brain basically drops into your body at different points in your life, which is more consistent with the sort of Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse 5, paradigm, and also helps insulate you from paradox. So we decided to do that with Desmond. He felt like the logical person to do it with. We find an emotional core for the story—in his case, it's his desire to be reunited with Penny—so we tell time travel stories that sort of focus on the romantic element, which is why we think Peggy Sue in Back to the Future and Somewhere in Time all work. They're science-fiction stories, but they have an emotional core. And we go from there. And then we do the research."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4260693.html?series=6

[Exiled_Devil]

" In this case, we said the way that we want to do time travel on Lost is consciousness based, as opposed to somebody gets in a DeLorean or a HG Wells-like apparatus and zaps themself back in time where they can interact with an earlier version of themself. It's more interesting if your brain basically drops into your body at different points in your life, which is more consistent with the sort of Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse 5, paradigm, and also helps insulate you from paradox. So we decided to do that with Desmond. He felt like the logical person to do it with. We find an emotional core for the story—in his case, it's his desire to be reunited with Penny—so we tell time travel stories that sort of focus on the romantic element, which is why we think Peggy Sue in Back to the Future and Somewhere in Time all work. They're science-fiction stories, but they have an emotional core. And we go from there. And then we do the research."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4260693.html?series=6

I read that too, but also recall that the rabbit in the Orchid orientation video appeared out of nowhere. So physical time travel needs to be possible.

I have a feeling that the temple will show us more about the time travel, whispers and random sightings of dead people.

[BCGroup]

USA Today has their "Ten Best Comments" from all the postings about Lost:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/popcandy/2008/04/lost-in-a-flash.html#more

One of the ten:

"At the beginning of the episode Hurley, while playing risk, said “Dude, I can’t believe you’re giving him Australia. AUSTRALIA IS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE GAME.”At the end, as Whidmore and Ben were talking about rules, it had an eerie feel like they were in competition with each other over the island… like a game.Did the writers just drop a major hint through Hurley’s comment?
Or did they know that know that some over analyzing freak like me would hear that and spend the next 24 hours trying to figure out how Australia is the key to everything going on.Either way, it’s what makes this such a great show."

[JasonEvans]

"At the beginning of the episode Hurley, while playing risk, said “Dude, I can’t believe you’re giving him Australia. AUSTRALIA IS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE GAME.”

Ok, totally random aside, but does anyone try anything other than the Australia strategy at Risk? I sometimes try to seize NAmerica (only 3 border countries so it can be defended) or SAmerica (with 2 borders it is not really worth the 2 bonus armies) but the most consistent path to a win is through Australia.

-Jason "I rarely play anymore, but my 11 and 8 year olds are starting to like it" Evans

[Ignatius07]

Ok, totally random aside, but does anyone try anything other than the Australia strategy at Risk? I sometimes try to seize NAmerica (only 3 border countries so it can be defended) or SAmerica (with 2 borders it is not really worth the 2 bonus armies) but the most consistent path to a win is through Australia.

-Jason "I rarely play anymore, but my 11 and 8 year olds are starting to like it" Evans

I generally go for North America second, or sometimes first. You can definitely win from there.

Hurley's comment is interesting in terms of the show, but doesn't really make sense from the perspective of the game. Australia is only critical when initially positioning your armies. Once the game has started (which I am assuming it has), it's not really critical IMO.

[Jfrosh]

"At the beginning of the episode Hurley, while playing risk, said “Dude, I can’t believe you’re giving him Australia. AUSTRALIA IS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE GAME.”At the end, as Whidmore and Ben were talking about rules, it had an eerie feel like they were in competition with each other over the island… like a game.Did the writers just drop a major hint through Hurley’s comment?
Or did they know that know that some over analyzing freak like me would hear that and spend the next 24 hours trying to figure out how Australia is the key to everything going on.Either way, it’s what makes this such a great show."

I think the writers were just having fun. Anyone who plays Risk knows initially holding Australia is a huge plus in winning the game. I have won starting off with South America, Affrica, and less commonly North America. I avoid Europe and Asia until the end of the game, too hard to hold. It would be a major leap for this to follow along with the plotline.

[cato]

Ok, totally random aside, but does anyone try anything other than the Australia strategy at Risk? I sometimes try to seize NAmerica (only 3 border countries so it can be defended) or SAmerica (with 2 borders it is not really worth the 2 bonus armies) but the most consistent path to a win is through Australia.

-Jason "I rarely play anymore, but my 11 and 8 year olds are starting to like it" Evans

It really depends on how many people are playing the game. The problem with Australia is that Asia is essentially impossible to hold, so you have a hard time branching out from Australia. South America, on the other hand, has many of the same benefits, and allows you to flex to either North America or Africa.

In the end, though, if you don't roll either first or second, and you're not playing with beginners or idiots, you don't have much of a chance to win.

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

It really depends on how many people are playing the game. The problem with Australia is that Asia is essentially impossible to hold, so you have a hard time branching out from Australia. South America, on the other hand, has many of the same benefits, and allows you to flex to either North America or Africa.

In the end, though, if you don't roll either first or second, and you're not playing with beginners or idiots, you don't have much of a chance to win.

I agree and would also like to point out that Australia only gives you a few armies anyways. I never felt it was worth the trouble. S. America was always my favorite place to begin a quest for world domination.

I remember a 6 hour game played in my early 20s basically ending as people passed out from exhaustion/inebriation. Risk is awesome.

[Exiled_Devil]

I agree and would also like to point out that Australia only gives you a few armies anyways. I never felt it was worth the trouble. S. America was always my favorite place to begin a quest for world domination.

I remember a 6 hour game played in my early 20s basically ending as people passed out from exhaustion/inebriation. Risk is awesome.

Almost every game I played in high school ended up being six hours long. I stopped playing and went for the future-risk version. In that one, random zones are nuked or contaminated by nanotech, so no consistent strategy works. I like the variability. Plus, you can have moon bases!!

[2535Miles]

--Jason "http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/05/10_lost_lgl.jpg" Evans

Jeremy "That was my favorite Jason Evans signature ever." Long

[DevilAlumna]

3) The Doctor is fine?!?!!? I am betting that the doc dies in the future and then floats to the island. Communications from the island to the outside world clearly are influenced by time travel.


Oh, I interpreted this the other way entirely -- Doc dead on the island, but the boat saying Doc's doing fine = island time is ahead of boat time.

Here's my thinking:

Say, in Island time, it's a Wednesday, but real world it's a Monday. If there's some way the Island can see the real world Wednesday, someone on the island has a two-day headstart on those in the real world. So, if one could travel quickly between both locations (Ben), that person could really take advantage of that advance knowledge.

Perhaps Whidmore also wants that power, which is why he's so desperate to find the island.

[alteran]

...If there's some way the Island can see the real world Wednesday, someone on the island has a two-day headstart on those in the real world. So, if one could travel quickly between both locations (Ben), that person could really take advantage of that advance knowledge.

Perhaps Whidmore also wants that power, which is why he's so desperate to find the island.

Perhaps having that power in the past is why he's so rich.

[DevilAlumna]

Perhaps having that power in the past is why he's so rich.

My thinking exactly.

[alteran]

My thinking exactly.

I have a master's degree in The Obvious.

My wife thinks I should go for a doctorate, but I'd rather pursue a phd in Applied Conspiracy Theory.

[JasonEvans]

Oh, I interpreted this the other way entirely -- Doc dead on the island, but the boat saying Doc's doing fine = island time is ahead of boat time.

Here's my thinking:

Say, in Island time, it's a Wednesday, but real world it's a Monday. If there's some way the Island can see the real world Wednesday, someone on the island has a two-day headstart on those in the real world. So, if one could travel quickly between both locations (Ben), that person could really take advantage of that advance knowledge.

Perhaps Whidmore also wants that power, which is why he's so desperate to find the island.

Sorry if I was not clear but that is exactly what I meant. The Doc is not yet dead on the boat but is dead on the island. This means that the island is currently ahead of the boat in time. I am betting that the island moves around in time a bit, sometimes ahead sometimes behind and sometimes right on the money-- it probably also depends on where you are in relationship to the island (hence the important discussion of Faraday's coordinates/bearings as well as Ben's instructions to Michael about what heading to take on the boat).

I am betting that when we next encounter Michael, Sayid, and Desmond on the freighter that we get to see the doctor's throat slit and his body dumped overboard. And it will be clear that this happened after his body washed up on shore.

--Jason "question-- should all Lost threads be combined into one big one?" Evans

[JG Nothing]

"question-- should all Lost threads be combined into one big one?"
I prefer a separate thread for each episode.

[Clipsfan]

So do I, as I don't always watch them the day of (I haven't seen last night's episode yet) but still enjoy reading the previous threads.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

"question-- should all Lost threads be combined into one big one?"

NO! Make that HELL NO! I hate the uber-long combined threads. If I'm not current in one, I stop reading it altogether.

[DevilAlumna]

NO! Make that HELL NO! I hate the uber-long combined threads. If I'm not current in one, I stop reading it altogether.

Amen, brotha. I don't read 2/3rds of the EK Board threads for this reason.

Plus, for Lost, reading spoilers ahead of an episode sucks.

[Rich]

NO! Make that HELL NO! I hate the uber-long combined threads.

Sheesh! Ya'll beat around the bush too much. I wish people on this Board would stop sugar coating what they want to say and just say it! ;)

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Sheesh! Ya'll beat around the bush too much. I wish people on this Board would stop sugar coating what they want to say and just say it! ;)

Wouldn't you like that quality in our new AD, too!

[BCGroup]

I also like the separate thread by episode--I wasn't able to watch Lost this week until Saturday, and when I saw this thread with multiple new responses, I wasn't sure if I could read them or not. It helps to have it by date. Just my two cents.