2010 Recruiting

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

He said on his formspring that he will stay as long as it takes to win a national championship. Of course, a lot of people say that, so I don't really know.

Well then hopefully he only needs to stay one year.

[SupaDave]

We haven't even gotten him yet and yall are already worried about him leaving. SLOW DOWN...

[flyingdutchdevil]

We haven't even gotten him yet and yall are already worried about him leaving. SLOW DOWN...

It's understandable. People are getting antsy for the upcoming game. Have you been reading a lot of the posts in the last 5 days (not just on this thread but the whole forum)? People, including me, are talking about everything / nothing to get their minds off of the game and yet still talk about Duke basketball.

Personally, I think it's great! And that is the beauty of forums.

[Saratoga2]

Elite eight and possibly beyond cannot hurt our recruiting. Will some of the kids be in Houston?

[Devilsfan]

Possibly? Think positive! Go Devils!

[Dukeknights]

Possibly? Think positive! Go Devils!

a Final Four birth would be 10x bigger because of the week of publicity you get leading up to the tourney, and with UK now out, Duke would be getting most of the talk if we advance.

[wisteria]

So, rumor has it that Duke got involved in the C.J.Leslie recruitment recently. Opinions? Sounds just like the John Wall recruitment saga last year, with similar timeline and same schools involved....

[AlaskanAssassin]

So, rumor has it that Duke got involved in the C.J.Leslie recruitment recently. Opinions? Sounds just like the John Wall recruitment saga last year, with similar timeline and same schools involved....

Eh, not too fond of Leslie. I mean, he got game, but I don't think his character fits Duke.

[airowe]

So, rumor has it that Duke got involved in the C.J.Leslie recruitment recently. Opinions? Sounds just like the John Wall recruitment saga last year, with similar timeline and same schools involved....

Key word is bolded, underlined, and italicized.

[licc85]

I heard from a reliable insider that the CJ Leslie rumor has legs . . .

[licc85]

not to mention . . he's unbelievably good, dude is 6'8" but plays like he's 7'1", just check out those insanely long arms. If we get him, he might be the best forward to go to duke since Grant Hill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlagqPkdcCU

[Greg_Newton]

Wow. I love him as an athlete - he's literally the perfect physical specimen for a wing forward - but he's supposedly just out of his mind. (Shrugs) I trust in K though... if he thinks he can connect with the kid and get him to buy in 100%, more power to him. Guy's a John Wall-level athlete.

I do like K going after some elite athletes now that he's got a solid foundation, as I noted in a different thread yesterday. But I'll be happy with however this one plays out.

[licc85]

Jesus . . . how is this guy not rated in the top 5?? he must average 20 dunks a game with this unreal athleticism. I'm not really sure how you can even stop that . . the kid can dunk from anywhere inside the free throw line extended and makes getting to the rim look easier than breathing.

the other video was him as a junior (playing with john wall i might add)

here's him as a senior:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hoopmixtape#p/u/7/nYLbHRJPjyQ

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

Jesus . . . how is this guy not rated in the top 5?? he must average 20 dunks a game with this unreal athleticism. I'm not really sure how you can even stop that . . the kid can dunk from anywhere inside the free throw line extended and makes getting to the rim look easier than breathing.

the other video was him as a junior (playing with john wall i might add)

here's him as a senior:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hoopmixtape#p/u/7/nYLbHRJPjyQ

That was just nasty(that's a good thing for all you old folks)

[jimrowe0]

He is a great player, but if Kyle comes back where does he fit. Leslie does not want to come off the bench. We could play singler at SF and Leslie at PF, but I just don't see it. Leslie is likely a one and done player and would want to play to the position he will likely play in the NBA. He is a great player, but I wish him luck elsewhere.

[licc85]

I would imagine that Kyle would be the 4 in this case, with Leslie at the 3. I think that would work. This is all speculation anyways, I don't really think we will get Leslie, but if we do . . oh man, if we do . . .

[ChicagoCrazy84]

Jesus . . . how is this guy not rated in the top 5?? he must average 20 dunks a game with this unreal athleticism. I'm not really sure how you can even stop that . . the kid can dunk from anywhere inside the free throw line extended and makes getting to the rim look easier than breathing.

the other video was him as a junior (playing with john wall i might add)

here's him as a senior:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hoopmixtape#p/u/7/nYLbHRJPjyQ


This kid is NASTY. I don't think we get him either, but man, if we did....oh boy. 39-0 would not be out of the question.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

Are they're any articles, that we have got involved or just a poster speculating?

[airowe]

Are they're any articles, that we have got involved or just a poster speculating?

This is a false rumor. Leslie is not a good fit for Duke and vice versa.

[licc85]

yeah, i heard today that the it was a rumor which was started by a UNC insider. I apologize for helping spread the rumor. You can't help but get excited about a player like leslie.

[Dukeknights]

yeah, i heard today that the it was a rumor which was started by a UNC insider. I apologize for helping spread the rumor. You can't help but get excited about a player like leslie.

Kendall Marshall's dad SMH.

[slower]

Check out the video linked on the front page. Marshall and (particularly) Bullock seem like boneheads. Barnes seems pretty sharp, although he definitely seems like the kind of guy to intentionally look up big words to use in conversation. He's DEFINITELY image-conscious and seems totally "rehearsed". Kyrie is awesome - love the guy already. I loved when he asked Bullock if he spoke English. Classic. Kyrie and ndotsmiity together? Wow - personality plus!

[LSanders]

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-31/sports/ct-spt-0401-prep-mcdonalds-column-skrbina20100331_1_barnes-plans-iowa-state-shirley-barnes


When the legend from the grainy video tapes finally was before his eyes, Harrison Bryce Jordan Barnes wanted to cover his ears.

Barnes, a senior from Ames, Iowa, who is considered the top high school player in the country by many, was on a visit to North Carolina with his mother, Shirley Barnes, when he first met Michael Jordan.

"Coach (Roy) Williams called Harrison into a room and said, ‘I want you to meet someone,'" Shirley said. "So after Harrison met him he said, ‘The only thing that ruined it was my mom squealing like a school girl in the background.'"

Is this kosher?

[Dukeknights]

I have a feeling that Harrison Barnes' mother was a big reason why he chose UNC, idk if she pushed him to UNC or not, but I do think he is going to UNC to make her happy. IMO.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

I could care less, HB isn't a Blue Devil so he's really irrelvant.

[Duke4life92]

Did'nt see anyone talking about Josh's game yesterday against montverde but he looked real good.Has a nice stroke all the way out to and beyond the 3pt line(stroke looked as good as kyle's IMO but he does'nt have the ball handling ability of kyle) and can finish nice around the bucket but i don't see him being the strong inside presence the commentators kept talking about as being his main strength's.Think of a nice scoring option to take Lance's spot but we'll need a good replacement for zoob's interior size to go with the plumlee's.Also not impressed whatsoever in marshall plumlee in his game but i did'nt watch it all so maybe he showed something later in the game.Any thought's from anyone else that saw him play?

[Saratoga2]

People have criticized coach K's recruiting over the past few years when we missed on a number of key players. Some went to Kentucky and Georgetown, but when we look at the results, it is pretty darn good.

Duke is in the final four, not Kentucy and not Georgetown. We did it will mainly long term players who were very good but not NBA lottery picks, and who gained experience over their careers. Whatever happens tomorrow, clearly the recruiting has worked well and we are left with a returning team with all bases covered.

Nolan Smith (quick guard with some point skills and excellent defender)
Andre Dawins (good sized shooting guard with a big upside)
Seth Curry (experienced shooting/point guard with big upside)
Kyle Singler (probable wing returnee who may be Ist Team all American)
Miles Plumlee (Center/Pwr Fwd with 2 yrs experience and showing maturity)
Mason Plumlee (Pwr Fwd with big jump forward expected in 2nd year)
Brian Kelly( Pwr Fwd with very good skills and expected strength growth)

It looks like we could start this team and win with it, so the recruiting just needs to fill the gaps, which we have done.

Kyrie Irving (Greatly talented PG who will get a lot of PT out of the box)
Josh Hairston (wing or Pwr Fwd for potential Singler/ Front court substitution)
Carrick Felix (Excellent athlete with wing potential. Defensive prowess)
Tyler Thornton (PG who appears to be a backup to Kyrie, Seth and Nolan)

If anything, we are very strong at all positions with the exception of a true back to the basket center. Great team that is likely to continue to be a force in NCAA basketball. They should be one of the favorites for next year.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

People have criticized coach K's recruiting over the past few years when we missed on a number of key players. Some went to Kentucky and Georgetown, but when we look at the results, it is pretty darn good.

Duke is in the final four, not Kentucy and not Georgetown. We did it will mainly long term players who were very good but not NBA lottery picks, and who gained experience over their careers. Whatever happens tomorrow, clearly the recruiting has worked well and we are left with a returning team with all bases covered.

Nolan Smith (quick guard with some point skills and excellent defender)
Andre Dawins (good sized shooting guard with a big upside)
Seth Curry (experienced shooting/point guard with big upside)
Kyle Singler (probable wing returnee who may be Ist Team all American)
Miles Plumlee (Center/Pwr Fwd with 2 yrs experience and showing maturity)
Mason Plumlee (Pwr Fwd with big jump forward expected in 2nd year)
Brian Kelly( Pwr Fwd with very good skills and expected strength growth)

It looks like we could start this team and win with it, so the recruiting just needs to fill the gaps, which we have done.

Kyrie Irving (Greatly talented PG who will get a lot of PT out of the box)
Josh Hairston (wing or Pwr Fwd for potential Singler/ Front court substitution)
Carrick Felix (Excellent athlete with wing potential. Defensive prowess)
Tyler Thornton (PG who appears to be a backup to Kyrie, Seth and Nolan)

If anything, we are very strong at all positions with the exception of a true back to the basket center. Great team that is likely to continue to be a force in NCAA basketball. They should be one of the favorites for next year.

Great post, but did you just call Ryan Kelly, Brain Kelly?

[CrazieDUMB]

What do the following players all have in common?

Shaun Livingston
Greg Monroe
Patrick Patterson
John Wall
Kenny Boynton


Answer:
No championship


Let's repeat and add HB to the list

[wilko]

So with Dino out at WF...
Any chance we ring up the guys they have waiting in the wings. Maybe take their pulse and see what happens?

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to at least inquire...

[COYS]

So with Dino out at WF...
Any chance we ring up the guys they have waiting in the wings. Maybe take their pulse and see what happens?

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to at least inquire...

I doubt it only because our recruiting targets are already pretty widespread for the next few seasons. Who would we go after? The younger Teague (even though he's not 2010)? We've already got Kyrie and Seth locked up with Austin as one of our biggest targets so I doubt we go after a player like him. As for this year's recruits, the only one that would make any sense at all would be McKie (an active SF) and that was probably only before Felix's commitment. We've got a pretty stacked roster next year with the only question marks being the improvement of the Plumlees and the SF spot if Kyle goes. However, none of Wake's recruits are impact players who would put us over the top at SF plus, I'd imagine that three guard lineups with a little Felix sprinkled in will cover us at SF. The plumlees and Kelly will almost certainly improve. I think we're perfectly fine right now and don't see the advantage of going after and of Wake's guys.

[wilko]

I doubt it only because our recruiting targets are already pretty widespread for the next few seasons. Who would we go after? s for this year's recruits, the only one that would make any sense at all would be McKie (an active SF) and that was probably only before Felix's commitment.

However, none of Wake's recruits are impact players who would put us over the top at SF plus, I'd imagine that three guard lineups with a little Felix sprinkled in will cover us at SF. The plumlees and Kelly will almost certainly improve.

I think we're perfectly fine right now and don't see the advantage of going after and of Wake's guys.

Off-hand I'd have to agree to the logic you present.

However, seeing as how height and rebounding served us SO well over the course of the this yr, It wouldn't hurt my feelings to acquire some more height to replace the Losses of Zoubs, Thomas, and possibly Kyle...

WF's current recruts are:

Carson Desrosiers 6-11/225 C 8
Travis McKie 6-6/180 SF 9
Melvin Tabb 6-8/210 PF 20
Tony Chennault 6-1/170 PG 6
J.T. Terrell SG 6-3/175 SG 18

I dont know anything about Melvin and Carson other than that they are tall and are listed as 4 star (if that means anything to you).

The Q had some merit even if if it is unlikely.

[Daniel tosh]

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1071951

This is a nice breakdown of the 2010 point guards.

[COYS]

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1071951

This is a nice breakdown of the 2010 point guards.

I can only comment from seeing a few games with Irving including the McDonald's game, but I don't see how his ballhandling skills aren't at the top. He looked to have a significantly better handle than BK and better than Selby. BK has more strength but seemed to rely more on power drives than quick dribbles. Selby and Irving may be closer, but Irving seemed a little faster and craftier . . . granted, this is a small sample size.

That being said, gotta love Kendall Marshall being nowhere to be seen on these lists. Even though many considered Barnes as the determining factor as to whether or not UNC or Duke won the recruiting wars for the class of 2010, I think if you go player by player (rather than position by position), Duke comes out very favorably. Irving and Barnes are probably a wash, although with Irving at PG, he may have more impact on actual games. Seth Curry certainly has the potential to be a better player for Duke than Bullock. Hairston may end up being a better player than Marshall. Add in Felix and Thornton and Duke's 2010 class looks to be really, really good.

[chrisheery]

Completely agree. We'll have to see over time, but every time I have seen Kyrie play (4 times now), his ball-handling has been very very impressive. He is as good a ball-handler as I have seen coming from high school. I'm not a scout, but he looks like he has the ball on a string. Maybe they are referring to turnovers (don't know his stats there), but that may be because he had the ball all the time on a team with only one other real scorer.

[airowe]

I doubt it only because our recruiting targets are already pretty widespread for the next few seasons. Who would we go after? The younger Teague (even though he's not 2010)? We've already got Kyrie and Seth locked up with Austin as one of our biggest targets so I doubt we go after a player like him. As for this year's recruits, the only one that would make any sense at all would be McKie (an active SF) and that was probably only before Felix's commitment. We've got a pretty stacked roster next year with the only question marks being the improvement of the Plumlees and the SF spot if Kyle goes. However, none of Wake's recruits are impact players who would put us over the top at SF plus, I'd imagine that three guard lineups with a little Felix sprinkled in will cover us at SF. The plumlees and Kelly will almost certainly improve. I think we're perfectly fine right now and don't see the advantage of going after and of Wake's guys.

I think the Duke staff would certainly give a listen to McKie if he called and if Kyle left. He would be an impact player at a position of need.

If we're going to take a qualifying Michael Haynes, then I don't see us turning down a Top 10 SF.

[JaMarcus Russell]

If we're going to take a qualifying Michael Haynes, then I don't see us turning down a Top 10 SF.

That seems to be a big "if" though.

[airowe]

That seems to be a big "if" though.

The only if there is if he qualifies...

[JaMarcus Russell]

Is this based off the article on Blue Devil Insider's page?

[airowe]

Is this based off the article on Blue Devil Insider's page?

No. I don't get my information from that website.

ETA: and that info I didn't get from a website.

[JaMarcus Russell]

Thanks. Then I am guessing it is from either Rivals or Scout. And it seems like the BDI information may mostly come from there as well.

[DukeBlueNV]

do we really want haynes now that felix is in the fold? i dont see him getting much playing time, if any his first 2yrs here...

[ghill33]

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/4/9/1412904/5-players-to-watch-at-2010-nike

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

do we really want haynes now that felix is in the fold? i dont see him getting much playing time, if any his first 2yrs here...

Na not really, I'm ready to start this 2011 recruiting class. Hopefully with commitments from Miller and Rivers, and a Big man.

[chrisheery]

Thanks. Then I am guessing it is from either Rivals or Scout. And it seems like the BDI information may mostly come from there as well.

There is a far better site for good early information than any of those you have mentioned. In fact, I think all of those sites get quite a bit of their info from this site. bluedevilnation.net

airowe is a member, and I don't think he is giving away anything that Mark would have a problem with him passing on.

[airowe]

There is a far better site for good early information than any of those you have mentioned. In fact, I think all of those sites get quite a bit of their info from this site. bluedevilnation.net

airowe is a member, and I don't think he is giving away anything that Mark would have a problem with him passing on.

Not a member at bluedevilnation.net but from what I hear its the best bang for your buck.

[juise]

Na not really, I'm ready to start this 2011 recruiting class. Hopefully with commitments from Miller and Rivers, and a Big man.

Duke has already started the 2011 recruiting class. His name is Michael Gbinije.

[BD80]

Duke has already started the 2011 recruiting class. His name is Michael Gbinije.

Gb - i - ni - j - e

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and Gbinije was his name - o.

[DevilHorns]

Now that Trey Ziegler has chosen Central Mich (though he wasn't listed as getting an offer from us on Scout anyway), is there anyone else we are pursuing from the 2010 recruiting cycle?

http://www.mlive.com/sports/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/04/trey_zeigler_will_choose_centr.html

My understanding is No.

That makes our 2010 incoming class/transfers:
Kyrie Irving, Josh Hairston, Tyler Thornton, Carrick Felix, Seth Curry

Woohoo!!!

[emack32]

Now that Trey Ziegler has chosen Central Mich (though he wasn't listed as getting an offer from us on Scout anyway), is there anyone else we are pursuing from the 2010 recruiting cycle?

http://www.mlive.com/sports/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/04/trey_zeigler_will_choose_centr.html

My understanding is No.

That makes our 2010 incoming class/transfers:
Kyrie Irving, Josh Hairston, Tyler Thornton, Carrick Felix, Seth Curry

Woohoo!!!

i don't think so...our class is ranked high, but I still think it's underrated. I've seen a handful of games of Kyrie and feel he is best point guard in the class by far for the simple fact that out of the bunch he seems best equip to run an offense and play the "true" point as well as be a big time scorer. He sort of reminds me of of a mix of j-will in his ability to penetrate at will and deron williams's ability to hit the three and mid range jumper. ESPN also moved Hairston into the top twenty in their final ranking so that is promising as well. Don't know too much about Felix and Thornton, but am excited to see what they bring to the table. Curry will also be a star, so this class should be 1 based on the fact that they are incredibly talented and the two studs Curry and Irving are likely to stay at least 2 years as opposed to most one and dones....So stoked for next year!

[DevilHorns]

i don't think so...our class is ranked high, but I still think it's underrated. I've seen a handful of games of Kyrie and feel he is best point guard in the class by far for the simple fact that out of the bunch he seems best equip to run an offense and play the "true" point as well as be a big time scorer. He sort of reminds me of of a mix of j-will in his ability to penetrate at will and deron williams's ability to hit the three and mid range jumper. ESPN also moved Hairston into the top twenty in their final ranking so that is promising as well. Don't know too much about Felix and Thornton, but am excited to see what they bring to the table. Curry will also be a star, so this class should be 1 based on the fact that they are incredibly talented and the two studs Curry and Irving are likely to stay at least 2 years as opposed to most one and dones....So stoked for next year!

Well, our class is ranked #5 on ESPN. And from my understanding, the ranking does not include Seth Curry who may be the best SG for this recruiting cycle given not only his natural talent and incredible freshman year, but his opportunity to play at a high level in the Duke system for an entire year. If we consider him part of our "class," that definitely undoubtedly improves our subjective ranking.

[COYS]

i don't think so...our class is ranked high, but I still think it's underrated. I've seen a handful of games of Kyrie and feel he is best point guard in the class by far for the simple fact that out of the bunch he seems best equip to run an offense and play the "true" point as well as be a big time scorer. He sort of reminds me of of a mix of j-will in his ability to penetrate at will and deron williams's ability to hit the three and mid range jumper. ESPN also moved Hairston into the top twenty in their final ranking so that is promising as well. Don't know too much about Felix and Thornton, but am excited to see what they bring to the table. Curry will also be a star, so this class should be 1 based on the fact that they are incredibly talented and the two studs Curry and Irving are likely to stay at least 2 years as opposed to most one and dones....So stoked for next year!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 2008-2010 recruiting classes have been waay out of the ordinary. Miles jumps on last minute after King transfers and Trent Johnson is fired at Stanford only to be the last member of the class after E-will and Olek transfer. For 2009 we add Dawkins at the last second after Ewill's transfer but we also add Seth Curry. Finally, our 2010 class loses Dawkins to the 2009 class but gains Kyrie and the first JUCO transfer under K in Felix to add to Hairston and Thornton. Things definitely worked out strangely, but it certainly seems like they've worked out for the best.

[airowe]

Well, our class is ranked #5 on ESPN. And from my understanding, the ranking does not include Seth Curry who may be the best SG for this recruiting cycle given not only his natural talent and incredible freshman year, but his opportunity to play at a high level in the Duke system for an entire year. If we consider him part of our "class," that definitely undoubtedly improves our subjective ranking.

Neither Curry nor Felix are or should be considered part of this recruiting class. They both have 3 years of eligibility left, unlike our three Freshmen who have 4 years.

[Go 2 Hell Carolina]

Latest on Rivers

http://www.highschoolhoop.com/recruiting-news/2010/04/austin-rivers-speaks-on-florida-de-commitment/

[Go 2 Hell Carolina]

Latest on Rivers

http://www.highschoolhoop.com/recruiting-news/2010/04/austin-rivers-speaks-on-florida-de-commitment/

Sorry I didnt mean to post this under 2010 recruiting - I cant edit it for some reason!

[rotogod00]

Neither Curry nor Felix are or should be considered part of this recruiting class. They both have 3 years of eligibility left, unlike our three Freshmen who have 4 years.

with regards to espn's class ranking, they consider felix part of the class but not curry

[chrisheery]

ESPN has almost no business doing recruiting analysis or reporting. They are terrible at it.

There is an article on ESPN insider detailing next year's lineups for Duke, Carolina, Kentucky. Only Duke's is full of players who have actually committed.

Carolina's list has Austin Rivers on it (for next year). That's just silly. They also describe Harrison Barnes as a slasher who needs to find a jump shot. Clearly, they didn't watch the Hoops Summit when he made a number of threes or the McDonald's game when he participated in the three point shooting competition. He's considered by scouts to have a smooth, consistent stroke, one of the best shooters in the class.

Kentucky's list has 4 guys on it who are undecided. Yeah, they might end up at Kentucky, but they might not too.

How can they put this stuff out there? Just throw a bunch of crap to the wall and see what sticks?

[CDu]

ESPN has almost no business doing recruiting analysis or reporting. They are terrible at it.

There is an article on ESPN insider detailing next year's lineups for Duke, Carolina, Kentucky. Only Duke's is full of players who have actually committed.

Carolina's list has Austin Rivers on it (for next year). That's just silly. They also describe Harrison Barnes as a slasher who needs to find a jump shot. Clearly, they didn't watch the Hoops Summit when he made a number of threes or the McDonald's game when he participated in the three point shooting competition. He's considered by scouts to have a smooth, consistent stroke, one of the best shooters in the class.

Kentucky's list has 4 guys on it who are undecided. Yeah, they might end up at Kentucky, but they might not too.

How can they put this stuff out there? Just throw a bunch of crap to the wall and see what sticks?

To be fair, that's all in a "rumor mill" blog format. It's also not really detailing next year's lineups, but rather detailing the recruiting classes/incoming players. It's not in any way intended to be hard news.

But yeah, it's not very good analysis of the players. And the Austin Rivers gaff is pretty silly. He doesn't specifically say that Rivers is playing college ball next year, but that appears to be what he's thinking. But it's weird that he puts Rivers with UNC, but clearly notes that UNC and Duke are both in the running.

[Bob Green]

Brandon Knight to Kentucky:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5087281

[baby-face dawkins]

Mccalum to play for his dad at University of Detroit

and

Trey Zeigler to also play for his dad at Central Michigan



http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/onthetrail

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

I guess this means Josh Shelby to KU, maybe, we never really know.

[rotogod00]

Brandon Knight to Kentucky:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5087281

they also landed the #25 player (and #3 center) in enes kanter

[kong123]

they also landed the #25 player (and #3 center) in enes kanter

Kanter is reported to have eligibility issues. Wonder if he may jump to the NBA after the Nike Hoops Summit? He was a beast!

[roywhite]

they also landed the #25 player (and #3 center) in enes kanter

1. Kanter is an outstanding prospect
2. There are still questions about receiving substantial payments in the Turkish league that may derail his NCAA eligibility.

[Duvall]

1. Kanter is an outstanding prospect
2. There are still questions about receiving substantial payments in the Turkish league that may derail his NCAA eligibility.

Cleveland State: You are officially On Notice.

[uh_no]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Brandon-Knight-s-announcement-begins-a-special-d?urn=ncaab,234277

ugh....beginning of monster draft class year 2?

[uh_no]

oops...please delete.....missed the update on the cal ethics thread

[BlueDevilBaby]

He'll get plenty of paying time!

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

He'll get plenty of paying time!

you mean playing time? I don't see why you would take a shot at this kid, After seeing the recent sucess Cal has had with top pg I don't see why he wouldn't go there, this kid isn't a dummy he's a very sucessful young man who wants even more sucess in the nba.

[BlueDevilBaby]

Sorry, I did mean "playing time". No cheap shot intended toward BK at all.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

Oh then my flaut too.

[mgtr]

What success do you mean? I didn't see a whole lot of success last year. Of course, any success at all will be a change for the UK fans.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

Do you not consider an sec regular and tourny title successful? as well as a trip to the elite eight? They had over 30 wins, and their best players are potential first round draft picks. That' sounds like a successful season to me.

[johnb]

Successful as in their PG will be the top pick in the draft.

Five guys who will be 1st round picks in 2010? They shoulda been in the FF.

[roywhite]

Kentucky hasn't been in the Final Four since 1998? How can that be? Are they still an elite team? Has the game passed them by?

[BD80]

1. Kanter is an outstanding prospect
2. There are still questions about receiving substantial payments in the Turkish league that may derail his NCAA eligibility.

Kanter blew up the Nike Hoop Summit, scoring over 30 against the US team, he is way under-rated.

Was it the Turkish Premiere league? Great competition, no wonder he is so good! But he must have been the only player NOT paid.

I hear Cal is going for an innovative defense, he is going to claim that Kanter has received FAR less compensation for playing basketball than any of his other recruits in the last five years!

[hurleyfor3]

What's "Kentucky"?

[JaMarcus Russell]

Kanter blew up the Nike Hoop Summit, scoring over 30 against the US team, he is way under-rated.

Was it the Turkish Premiere league? Great competition, no wonder he is so good! But he must have been the only player NOT paid.

Yeah, he was a reserve on Fenerbahce, the same team that had two guys drafted in the second round the past two years. He even got some minutes in a few Euroleague games, so the college game may actually be a step down in competition at times.

Calipari has said that he thinks Kanter won't have eligibility issues, but Jeff Goodman claims that one of his sources says that Fenerbahce has proof that they paid Kanter up to 600K in his four years with the club. Obviously whether that is reliable information remains to be seen, but we do know that Findlay Prep and Mountain State Academy both backed off from him despite liking his personality and skills.

[DukieInBrasil]

Successful as in their PG will be the top pick in the draft.

Five guys who will be 1st round picks in 2010? They shoulda been in the FF.

Shoulda, but weren't largely b/c their line-up was dominated by Fr. who were looking at the NBA already.
I won't deny that they had a successful season. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda: 3 guys who never finish the race (or win the Championship!!!)

[DukieInBrasil]

What's "Kentucky"?

a "Kentucky" is where the character of the song "I...am a man, of constant sorrow, I have Known trouble all my days..." comes from. Wait, did John Calipari write that song in a former life?

[dukeballboy88]

Freshmen dont win national championships.

[airowe]

Freshmen dont win national championships.

Tell that to Andre Dawkins, Mason Plumlee, and Ryan Kelly :cool:

[mgtr]

Do you not consider an sec regular and tourny title successful? as well as a trip to the elite eight? They had over 30 wins, and their best players are potential first round draft picks. That' sounds like a successful season to me.

I don't define success for a college team as sending one and dones to the pros at the number one or the number 100 draft level. I define it as success in the NCAA tournament, and I think UK way underperformed expectations. And, to have a player such as Cousins, who all but spits in the face of the coach, is idiotic. He should have been benched after about three games. If all the rest of the people on this board want to have a team like that -- fine, but count me out. I would much prefer to have team like the one we fielded this year.
I would prefer to have a team such as Duke, Butler, UNI, or Cal than almost any team that Calipari has ever been associated with.

[DevilHorns]

Freshmen dont win national championships.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/drew_packham/03/14/starting.five/p1_carmelo-getty.jpg

Granted he was the only freshman starting on the team, but he pretty much won them that championship.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

I don't define success for a college team as sending one and dones to the pros at the number one or the number 100 draft level. I define it as success in the NCAA tournament, and I think UK way underperformed expectations. And, to have a player such as Cousins, who all but spits in the face of the coach, is idiotic. He should have been benched after about three games. If all the rest of the people on this board want to have a team like that -- fine, but count me out. I would much prefer to have team like the one we fielded this year.
I would prefer to have a team such as Duke, Butler, UNI, or Cal than almost any team that Calipari has ever been associated with.

Did you not consider last years duke team a sucess? I did, they made it to the sweet sixteen won the acc tourny and won over 30 games, UK has done more than that this year, so I would consider them having a sucessful season. I do agree that they underperformed expectations but when you have bad game during the ncaa tourny I don't think that means your season was a failure, these guys accomplised what they came to Uk for, and that's for a high draft pick in the upcoming nba draft.

[NSDukeFan]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/drew_packham/03/14/starting.five/p1_carmelo-getty.jpg

Granted he was the only freshman starting on the team, but he pretty much won them that championship.

Gerry McNamara would be surprised to learn that Carmelo was the only freshman starting that year.

[mgtr]

these guys accomplised what they came to Uk for, and that's for a high draft pick in the upcoming nba draft.

I repeat that I don't think a quick run to the NBA is the measure of a successful team. That is because I enjoy college basketball, but have only a limited interest in NBA ball. I would rather have 100 teams such as Duke (or a lot of others), win or lose, than one Kentucky.
I wish (and it is only a wish) that the NCAA would turn into a real demon and make clear to the NBA players association (which is pretty much running everything) that one and done players will no longer be welcome in the NCAA. If John Wall or DeMarcus Cousins wants to go play in Europe for a year, fine, but not in the NCAA. I don't expect that the NCAA will man up and do that, but, as I said, it is a wish.

[wilko]

I repeat that I don't think a quick run to the NBA is the measure of a successful team. That is because I enjoy college basketball, but have only a limited interest in NBA ball. I would rather have 100 teams such as Duke (or a lot of others), win or lose, than one Kentucky.

I wish (and it is only a wish) that the NCAA would turn into a real demon and make clear to the NBA players association (which is pretty much running everything) that one and done players will no longer be welcome in the NCAA.

I don't expect that the NCAA will man up and do that, but, as I said, it is a wish.

I hear ya. I think 1 or 2 Cal clones following the same philosophy of chasing the 1 and done player will dilute the talent pool enough to preclude any real chance of winning. You need some upperclassmen who contribute.

And while you may not care about the NBA, rest assured that many of our current players and recruits have that as a goal.

[MarkD83]

I repeat that I don't think a quick run to the NBA is the measure of a successful team. That is because I enjoy college basketball, but have only a limited interest in NBA ball. I would rather have 100 teams such as Duke (or a lot of others), win or lose, than one Kentucky.
I wish (and it is only a wish) that the NCAA would turn into a real demon and make clear to the NBA players association (which is pretty much running everything) that one and done players will no longer be welcome in the NCAA. If John Wall or DeMarcus Cousins wants to go play in Europe for a year, fine, but not in the NCAA. I don't expect that the NCAA will man up and do that, but, as I said, it is a wish.

I whole-heartedly agree. I also read somewhere a way that the NCAA can take some control of this issue. If you recruit a player the scholarship is occupied for at least 3 years. If the player goes pro early before 3 years the scholarship is still considered to be occupied. For example, Ky right now could only have 9 scholarship players on their team for the next 2 years. (Patrick Patterson went to school for 3 years so that does not count against them.) A team could take a risk of 1 or 2 one and done players but if you do this in too many consecutive classes you will get in trouble.

[mgtr]

I am on board with that plan all the way. I don't think that the NCAA has the stones to take charge of the situation, though.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

I don't agree with that plan, why should a team suffer for a player leaving early. That's like making a team and it's current players not allowed to go to the ncaa tournament, because the players 4 years ago didn't graduate.

[DevilHorns]

Gerry McNamara would be surprised to learn that Carmelo was the only freshman starting that year.

Oh ya forgot about him. He had a monster championship game as well.

[MarkD83]

I don't agree with that plan, why should a team suffer for a player leaving early. That's like making a team and it's current players not allowed to go to the ncaa tournament, because the players 4 years ago didn't graduate.

Yes, but it puts the burden on the coach to actually get players that want to be at college. In fact if players 4 years ago did not graduate the graduation rate would be low which is what (God forbid) the US Senate wants to use as a means to determine who gets into the NCAA.

[MarkD83]

I will also add a wonderful reminder. Duke only had 9 recruited scholarship players at the end of this year and WE ARE NATIONAL CHAMPS.

I think this idea would also put a premium on good coaching rather than stock-piling talent.

[mgtr]

I think this idea would also put a premium on good coaching rather than stock-piling talent.

Well, sir, I think that you have put the finger on the problem. It is mainly about coaching, not about lying to potential recruits, or getting recruits into the NBA.
How many National Championships has Calipari won? How many final fours has he been in (other than those vacated)? Exactly.
Not too difficult to recruit when you say -- come and play for me for one year, and I will see that you get into the NBA. Whoopee -- these are players who could play for Sheboygan State (I sure hope there is not a Sheboygan State) and still get into the NBA quickly. Not much coaching required.

[COYS]

I will also add a wonderful reminder. Duke only had 9 recruited scholarship players at the end of this year and WE ARE NATIONAL CHAMPS.

I think this idea would also put a premium on good coaching rather than stock-piling talent.

Not that Duke hasn't been stockpiling talent. Recall that it wasn't so long ago that the "coach K doesn't recruit, he selects" phrase was tossed around. Considering the haul K brought in (in terms of national rankings) from 1998-2005, you could argue that Duke was in a similar boat in terms of bringing in the best players year after year. We just got lucky that we had guys like Elton Brand and Jason Williams who stayed for more than one year. We can definitely credit K for his willingness to recruit kids who would at least "unpack their bags," though we haven't been without surprise early departures/no shows. No matter who Calipari gets out of the remaining recruits, I'm certain that if he were able to assemble a class like ours (especially if you put Dawkins back in the 2010 group), he would take it in a heartbeat. No matter how UK's class shakes out, I wouldn't be so certain that Duke's class including Curry and Felix (or UNC's class, for that matter) aren't UK's equal.

[DevilHorns]

So.... looks like we veered off track a little bit...

Is our 2010 recruiting officially done? Any other leads that we are pursuing? (and please I am asking about 2010 recruiting, not 2011... thats for another thread).:D

[SupaDave]

Thought this was very interesting on the mid-major front. Of course, we were interested in Ziegler...


Ray McCallum Sr. is the head coach at Detroit, and Ernie Zeigler is the head coach at Central Michigan. Ray Jr. chose Detroit over UCLA, Arizona and Florida, while Trey Zeigler chose Central Michigan over Michigan State, UCLA, Michigan, and Arizona State.

[rhodycb]

Our friends at ACC Basketball Recruiting put up their list and had Kyrie Irving #1.

Here's the list:

http://tinyurl.com/y72bpvz

[Big Pappa]

Not sure where else this could go. Cory Joseph committed to Texas today. I guess Rick Barnes likes players with a wide base on defense (wide enough for opposing players to dribble through).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/news/story?id=5130568

[Dukeface88]

Our friends at ACC Basketball Recruiting put up their list and had Kyrie Irving #1.

Here's the list:

http://tinyurl.com/y72bpvz

They have Kendall Marshall over Brandon Knight? That's, uh, interesting.

[Welcome2DaSlopes]

The center on Carrick Felix team that we were looking at has gone to UW.

[ChicagoCrazy84]

They have Kendall Marshall over Brandon Knight? That's, uh, interesting.


Yeah, but their little preface explained what angle they were coming from. With that said though, it is interesting they have Marshall over Knight. I don't care what position he ends up playing, Brandon Knight is going to be a stud. I see Jarryd Bayless when I watch him play. Can't argue with where they ranked Kyrie though! :D

[Indoor66]

The center on Carrick Felix team that we were looking at has gone to UW.

Which "UW"?

[Spy]

Washington.

[CDu]

Successful as in their PG will be the top pick in the draft.

Five guys who will be 1st round picks in 2010? They shoulda been in the FF.

And they were one really bad night away from doing so. I wouldn't use this year's Kentucky team as an argument for why you can't succeed with one-and-dones. They had a really good year that unfortunately (for them) ended on a really bad night. As Duke fans, I think we should be able to appreciate that an earlier-than-expected exit isn't necessarily an exact reflection on the team's quality.

[CDu]

Yes, but it puts the burden on the coach to actually get players that want to be at college. In fact if players 4 years ago did not graduate the graduation rate would be low which is what (God forbid) the US Senate wants to use as a means to determine who gets into the NCAA.

The problem is that you can never be sure whether a kid will stay or not when you are recruiting them. Even the kids who seem like 4-year guys can leave early. Luol Deng loved Duke and definitely valued education. Many, if not most, expected to see him on the Jason Williams 3-year graduation plan. But the financial situation for his family (as well as the skyrocketing of his draft stock) pushed him to leave after his freshman year.

[Daniel tosh]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/05/02/1410898/incoming-recruits-will-help-reshape.html

Here's a nice article on the triangle recruits this year

[sagegrouse]

Which "UW"?

The poster misspelled it. It's spelled U-Dub. :)

sagegrouse

[Big Pappa]

Speaking of U-Dub, I'm sure most of you have already seen this but they landed both Terrence Ross and Terrence Jones. They immediately become the elite of the Pac-10.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11148/washington-scores-the-two-terrences

[MisterRoddy]

Speaking of U-Dub, I'm sure most of you have already seen this but they landed both Terrence Ross and Terrence Jones. They immediately become the elite of the Pac-10.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11148/washington-scores-the-two-terrences

T.Jones isnt exactly a certainty yet, but theres a very very good chance he stays true to the original commitment.

Ross and Jones paired up with Thomas (star player), Gaddy, Laval-Perry, Overton, Holliday, and N'diaye could really do something in the NCAA tourney

A breakout year by Gaddy along with Jones and Ross living up to expectations and this team could be top 10 next year. I certainly hope so.

[ElSid]

A breakout year by Gaddy along with Jones and Ross living up to expectations and this team could be top 10 next year. I certainly hope so.

Would be nice to have the pac10 back in the equation a little bit. who even coaches arizona anymore?

would love to see johnny dawkins do some special stuff with his recruiting class, but i think it might be another year or so

[BD80]

T.Jones isnt exactly a certainty yet, but theres a very very good chance he stays true to the original commitment.

Ross and Jones paired up with Thomas (star player), Gaddy, Laval-Perry, Overton, Holliday, and N'diaye could really do something in the NCAA tourney

A breakout year by Gaddy along with Jones and Ross living up to expectations and this team could be top 10 next year. I certainly hope so.

Not a lot of competition in the Pac 10 next year is there? Any other team bringing in more than they are losing?

[ScreechTDX1847]

Not a lot of competition in the Pac 10 next year is there? Any other team bringing in more than they are losing?

Stanford.

[MisterRoddy]

Not a lot of competition in the Pac 10 next year is there? Any other team bringing in more than they are losing?

Well, there really isnt that much competition next year for the Pac-10.

UCLA is bringing in a strong recruiting class headed by Josh Smith (#3C) and Tyler Lamb (#14SG) but do lose high scorers Dragovic and Roll.

a front court of Smith/Honeycut/Nelson will be hard to stop and add in some good guard play and they can possibly challenege Washington.

Possibly USC, but with the losses of Gerrity and Lewis, it remains to be seen if they can really do all that much. (They have 2 relatively low espnu100 guard recruits)

Other than that, this conference seems to be Washingtons.

[Bay Area Duke Fan]

Would be nice to have the pac10 back in the equation a little bit. who even coaches arizona anymore?

Sean Miller was named head coach at Arizona in April 2009. He had been a very successful head coach at Xavier (Ohio) for five years.

Miller was an assistant coach under Herb Sendek at NC State for five years in the late 1990s.