Philly Cheese Steaks, Literally

[OZZIE4DUKE]

I'm driving to Philly today (Tuesday). I'll have time tonight to find the ultimate Philly Cheese Steak for dinner. Where is the one place I should go? I'll check back here from the hotel when I get there this afternoon.

[Schwarz]

The definitive Philly cheesesteak comes from either Pat's or Geno's. They are located very close to each other in south Philly. Unfortunately their cheesesteaks are made with some sort of Cheese Whiz which turned me off.

[DukeDevil]

Yeah, a real philly cheesteak has cheeze whiz, which sounds gross but actually ends up kinda tasty. You have to at least try it. One place to try as well that was actually really good was a stand on the corner of 19th and walnut at Rittenhouse square, if you want a cheesesteak for lunch on the weekend. I dunno why, but it was exceptionally good.

[jimbonelson]

genos is great and recomended by jim cramer::D

[77devil]

I'm driving to Philly today (Tuesday). I'll have time tonight to find the ultimate Philly Cheese Steak for dinner. Where is the one place I should go? I'll check back here from the hotel when I get there this afternoon.

Ozzie:

Forget Geno's and Pat's. They are for the tourists, although you will get a lot of debate among the locals. D'Alessandros is better. It's North of downtown near the corner of Henry Ave. and Walnut Lane if you can get there.

[DukeDevil]

A thing to know

You'll hear a lot of traditional philly places ask, in the rush to get the order finished and the food out "salpeprktchp?"

Easier to understand since I wrote it out but it's "salt pepper ketchup?" I pass on the ketchup usually.


Speaking of ketchup, anyone here enjoy international delights on 9th street?

[snowdenscold]

I can't answer your question, but back in high school (in northern virginia), senior year we had a "[real] Philly Cheese Steak run" day - where those who participated were supposed to get a cheese steak from a shop in Philidelphia and bring it back to eat for lunchtime.

[duke03]

If it's your first time, go to Pat's and Geno's (9th and Passyunk). They are caddy corner to each other, so you can get both. The classic style is "Wiz wit" (Cheez wiz and grilled onions)

[bfree]

Go to Pat's. There may be merit to the point, but the way Geno's handles itself is xenophobic and borderline racist (edit:) in my opinon:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5127134.stm

It doesn't seem so bad, but when you go you'll see there's just something ugly about the way Geno's handles itself... it is hard to explain, but you'll notice if you check it out.

[colchar]

Anyone got any good recommendations for making these at home? I make sandwiches with Steakums (just came back to the Canadian market) that are really really good but would love to be able to make an authentic-type Philly Cheese Steak at home.

[Schwarz]

Anyone got any good recommendations for making these at home? I make sandwiches with Steakums (just came back to the Canadian market) that are really really good but would love to be able to make an authentic-type Philly Cheese Steak at home.

Just for the record, there are no green peppers on a "Philly" cheesesteak in spite of how it is served everywhere except Philadelphia. It is steak fried together with onions and topped with cheese.

My favorite steak sandwich is fried steak and onions topped with a marinara sauce (instead of ketchup) and a pickle.

[duke03]

Go to Pat's. There may be merit to the point, but the way Geno's handles itself is xenophobic and borderline racist (edit:) in my opinon:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5127134.stm

It doesn't seem so bad, but when you go you'll see there's just something ugly about the way Geno's handles itself... it is hard to explain, but you'll notice if you check it out.

Counterpoint:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/16845211.html

[colchar]

Just for the record, there are no green peppers on a "Philly" cheesesteak in spite of how it is served everywhere except Philadelphia. It is steak fried together with onions and topped with cheese.

My favorite steak sandwich is fried steak and onions topped with a marinara sauce (instead of ketchup) and a pickle.

As much as I like green peppers in other things, I don't put them in a PCS. I use the meat (Steakums), cheese (don't usually use cheese wiz but will now), fried onions, and HP sauce.

God, I want one right now. Too bad I am waiting for the anesthetic to wear off after the first half of a root canal. Something tells me I won't be eating much tonight (damn you whoever started this thread...you're timing stunk!!!).

[OZZIE4DUKE]

God, I want one right now. Too bad I am waiting for the anesthetic to wear off after the first half of a root canal. Something tells me I won't be eating much tonight (damn you whoever started this thread...you're timing stunk!!!).

I did. Sorry for your discomfort, Colchar.

And thanks to all those who made suggestions. I plan to order order mine Wiz Wit SalPepper. I'll let y'all know what/where I end up getting my fix. It'll be interesting to see if it is better than the Steak and Cheese from Sami's in Selma, NC. DevilDeac is probably most interested in this comparison. But I know this, I'm not going to compare this to a Woody Allen from The Carnegie Deli.

[brevity]

The definitive Philly cheesesteak comes from either Pat's or Geno's.

Couldn't tell you a thing about Philly cheesesteaks, but any good Duke fan knows that when the debate is Pat vs. Geno, the answer is NEITHER!

[bfree]

It may not be illegal, but it is sleazy. I dunno, just something about is pretty shameful in my opinion. It isn't just the ordering requirement, it is the feeling you get there.


Counterpoint:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/16845211.html

[Channing]

I will be in Philly for lunch on Thursday, and I think I am going to be around downtown (somewhere around 2000 mkt street I think).

Any suggestions of a good place to grab a PCS?

[hughgs]

I did. Sorry for your discomfort, Colchar.

And thanks to all those who made suggestions. I plan to order order mine Wiz Wit SalPepper. I'll let y'all know what/where I end up getting my fix. It'll be interesting to see if it is better than the Steak and Cheese from Sami's in Selma, NC. DevilDeac is probably most interested in this comparison. But I know this, I'm not going to compare this to a Woody Allen from The Carnegie Deli.

Get one from Pat's, one from Geno's and then a second from the one you liked best. Noone will ever complain that you didn't sample!

[hughgs]

Anyone got any good recommendations for making these at home? I make sandwiches with Steakums (just came back to the Canadian market) that are really really good but would love to be able to make an authentic-type Philly Cheese Steak at home.

There are two requirements, chipped steak (not beef) and hard rolls. Watch as they make yours when you're in Philly, it's pretty easy. Few slices of meat, add onions, cook and chop with spatula, flip, add cheese, put in roll. Embellish as you like. Ignore those who say you shouldn't put X on the steak, you're the one eating it.

I suppose you could use any thinly sliced meat, but getting it might be a problem. And using soft rolls always made the sandwich mushy to me.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Get one from Pat's, one from Geno's and then a second from the one you liked best. No one will ever complain that you didn't sample!

I think I'll do that on Thursday on the way out of town. I'll get one of each and eat on the road - one for lunch and one for dinner! I didn't get to either one tonight, I got hijacked.

[hughgs]

I think I'll do that on Thursday on the way out of town. I'll get one of each and eat on the road - one for lunch and one for dinner! I didn't get to either one tonight, I got hijacked.

Hopefully they hold up well. The roll tends to soften a bit which takes away from the experience.

[SoCalDukeFan]

get one at Pats and one at Genos and split them.

You decide.

SoCal now but born in Philly

[hughgs]

get one at Pats and one at Genos and split them.

You decide.

SoCal now but born in Philly

An excellent idea. Eat one half of each at both lunch and dinner. Remove the soggy bun bias.

[duke03]

I will be in Philly for lunch on Thursday, and I think I am going to be around downtown (somewhere around 2000 mkt street I think).

Any suggestions of a good place to grab a PCS?

Best one within walking distance is at Tony Luke Jr.'s, 18th between Chestnut and Sansom (The roast pork sandwich there is even better). If you want a fantastic hoagie instead, hit up Primo's at 21st and Chestnut.

[colchar]

There are two requirements, chipped steak (not beef) and hard rolls. Watch as they make yours when you're in Philly, it's pretty easy. Few slices of meat, add onions, cook and chop with spatula, flip, add cheese, put in roll. Embellish as you like. Ignore those who say you shouldn't put X on the steak, you're the one eating it.

I suppose you could use any thinly sliced meat, but getting it might be a problem. And using soft rolls always made the sandwich mushy to me.

Unfortunately I'm not the one who'll be in Philly. Ozzie gets that honour.

[hughgs]

Unfortunately I'm not the one who'll be in Philly. Ozzie gets that honour.

Oops, sorry about that, I should pay more attention!

To me, the trick is how they chop the onions and steak. The steak, that I've used, comes in rectangular slices and you place them in two columns, one slice thick, on top of the onions. When they are getting close you take one spatula to sort of hold the steak and chop with the other spatula. At that point the onions and steak are pretty close to done and should be reasonably mixed. Flip them over and if you're using sliced cheese, add it to the top. When the cheese melts, do a final chop/mix and place it in the roll. The idea is that the final mixture is thinly chopped steak with fried onions and melted cheese uniformly mixed and the final size is close to the size of the roll.

I'm sure I've missed a step. It's been a long time since I've had a chance to cook or even drool while watching the creation of the a good cheese steak. Hopefully others can chime in and correct or add anything I've missed.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Best one within walking distance is at Tony Luke Jr.'s, 18th between Chestnut and Sansom (The roast pork sandwich there is even better). If you want a fantastic hoagie instead, hit up Primo's at 21st and Chestnut.

I ate there today. The cheese steak was OK, but nothing great.

Also had lunch at Reading Market today, across from the Pennsylvania Convention Center (HUGE facility, and they are expanding it). Huge food emporium with several dozen places to eat. I chose Herschel's Deli. Had a huge (but not quite Carnegie Deli huge) pastrami deli. Excellent for $7.95. Again, not quite as good as Carnegie, but more than adequate! The also had corned beef and beef brisket. If I wasn't planning to stop at Pat and Geno's on the way out tomorrow, I'd try the brisket for lunch tomorrow.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Originally Posted by hughgs
Get one from Pat's, one from Geno's


I think I'll do that on Thursday on the way out of town. I'll get one of each and eat on the road - one for lunch and one for dinner! I didn't get to either one tonight, I got hijacked.

This is what I did. Ate the one from Pat's for lunch under their canopy (it was raining lightly), had half the Geno's just north of Richmond, and finished it after nuking it when I got home. I got both with Wiz, onions and mushrooms, and added salt and pepper. I thought the one from Pat's was pretty ordinary, although the 'shrooms were very good. Eating Geno's at room temp in the car didn't do it justice, as it was much better when reheated at home. I liked Geno's a bit better than Pat's, but to be honest, neither is as good as what I can get at Sami's in Selma, NC.

Both Geno's and Pat's are over rated.

[ugadevil]

Both Geno's and Pat's are over rated.

When the person who serves as the definition of optimism says something is over rated, we're in trouble.

[77devil]

Both Geno's and Pat's are over rated.

Can't say I didn't tell you so. Try to find time next visit to make the hike to D'Alessandros. You won't be disappointed. Give me some notice and I'll take you.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/dalessandros-steaks-philadelphia

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Can't say I didn't tell you so. Try to find time next visit to make the hike to D'Alessandros. You won't be disappointed. Give me some notice and I'll take you.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/dalessandros-steaks-philadelphia

Don't know when that will be, but I'll keep it in mind. Thanks!

[willywoody]

http://www.capriottis.com/CapLayout.htm

it's been ten years and there are about 30 more stores but i dig their steaks with the sweet peppers and onions.

[hughgs]

http://www.capriottis.com/CapLayout.htm

it's been ten years and there are about 30 more stores but i dig their steaks with the sweet peppers and onions.

The fact that you bought something other than turkey at a Capriotti's demonstrates the uselessness of your opinion :).

[Lavabe]

Ozzie,
I didn't know you were going to Reading Market. Ever since seeing a show on the Food Network (Throw Down, with Bobby Flay), I've wanted to try a place there. There's a woman there who makes what is supposed to be the World's Best Mac & Cheese. If you have another day there, please try and report!!:o
Cheers,
Lavabe

[devildeac]

I'm driving to Philly today (Tuesday). I'll have time tonight to find the ultimate Philly Cheese Steak for dinner. Where is the one place I should go? I'll check back here from the hotel when I get there this afternoon.

I am sorry this is late. I hope you are still there. You should have called me. Jim's at the corner of 4th and South streets. See next post/reply, too.

[willywoody]

The fact that you bought something other than turkey at a Capriotti's demonstrates the uselessness of your opinion :).

i'm trying to remember if i ever had turkey there. probably once or twice, but in wilmington that was the best steak and cheese, the peppers were unique. i wonder how the franchises are?

[devildeac]

The definitive Philly cheesesteak comes from either Pat's or Geno's. They are located very close to each other in south Philly. Unfortunately their cheesesteaks are made with some sort of Cheese Whiz which turned me off.

Went to Philly last summer for a wedding and thought Pat's or Geno's until I talked to my cousin who said avoid both-good but not THAT good(and tourist 'traps'). She suggested Jim's at the corner of 4th and South streets which is closer to center city Philly than the other 2. Quite good. Think it was shaved sirloin with choices of peppers and/or mushrooms. You can also have a cheese steak hoagie with lettuce and tomatoes or an Italian with marinara sauce. Onions are standard. The other 'toppings' cost extra. 3 cheese choices: american, provolone and, as is proper in Philly, 'wit Wiz', which is obviously Cheeze Wiz. American and provolone are standards for me but I doubt I will EVER have one 'wit Wiz'.

[devildeac]

As much as I like green peppers in other things, I don't put them in a PCS. I use the meat (Steakums), cheese (don't usually use cheese wiz but will now), fried onions, and HP sauce.

God, I want one right now. Too bad I am waiting for the anesthetic to wear off after the first half of a root canal. Something tells me I won't be eating much tonight (damn you whoever started this thread...you're timing stunk!!!).

Colchar-that is freakin' hilarious and highly ironic. When I had my wisdom teeth out at about the age of 21, when I woke up from my general anesthetic(or whatever I had), my mom asked me what I wanted and the first thing I blurted out in my stupor was "a cheese steak".

[devildeac]

I did. Sorry for your discomfort, Colchar.

And thanks to all those who made suggestions. I plan to order order mine Wiz Wit SalPepper. I'll let y'all know what/where I end up getting my fix. It'll be interesting to see if it is better than the Steak and Cheese from Sami's in Selma, NC. DevilDeac is probably most interested in this comparison. But I know this, I'm not going to compare this to a Woody Allen from The Carnegie Deli.

and we all know that OZZIE likes his Woody's:D :D

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Ozzie,
I didn't know you were going to Reading Market. Ever since seeing a show on the Food Network (Throw Down, with Bobby Flay), I've wanted to try a place there. There's a woman there who makes what is supposed to be the World's Best Mac & Cheese. If you have another day there, please try and report!!:o
Cheers,
Lavabe

No, I left Thursday at noon after hitting Geno's and Pat's as noted above.

Oh, BTW, it is called Reading Terminal, not Reading Market. I wish I had gone back to Hershel's instead of G's and P's. That pastrami really was good.

And I can't believe that DevilDeac is PW'ing in my thread. Another few days and he'll pass me in # of posts. Of course, if you counted the old SBBS, he'd still be about 10,000 short :D

[Jim3k]

it's time to discuss Philadelphia cheese steaks in cities other than Philly.

Philadelphians (young or not) are known for leaving that city. When they do, the often alight at other major cities in the country. And they take that south Philly culture with them.

In the SF Bay area, a guy started The Cheese Steak Shop on Divisadero more than 30 years ago. When I worked in the Civic Center area we would drive over and have lunch there. Truly outstanding. He even had/has his bread shipped in from Philadelphia. Eventually he opened other shops around the Bay, including one near where I live. (There are 8 in the East Bay, now and only the one in SF... All have pictures of Philly shops on the wall). I get a takeout every two weeks or so. My wife is in love with the chicken version. Sweet hot peppers, mmm.

I don't get to Reno too much, but there seems to be a clone there. Also quite good.

So the City of Brotherly Love has spawned an industry. Who else has a good cheese steak shop in their home town?

Add: Tastee Kakes, too.

[hughgs]

it's time to discuss Philadelphia cheese steaks in cities other than Philly.

Philadelphians (young or not) are known for leaving that city. When they do, the often alight at other major cities in the country. And they take that south Philly culture with them.

In the SF Bay area, a guy started The Cheese Steak Shop on Divisadero more than 30 years ago. When I worked in the Civic Center area we would drive over and have lunch there. Truly outstanding. He even had/has his bread shipped in from Philadelphia. Eventually he opened other shops around the Bay, including one near where I live. (There are 8 in the East Bay, now and only the one in SF... All have pictures of Philly shops on the wall). I get a takeout every two weeks or so. My wife is in love with the chicken version. Sweet hot peppers, mmm.

I don't get to Reno too much, but there seems to be a clone there. Also quite good.

So the City of Brotherly Love has spawned an industry. Who else has a good cheese steak shop in their home town?

Add: Tastee Kakes, too.

A couple of years ago there was a shop in Spartanburg, SC. I accidentally came across it after a bike ride that started there and made a point of returning to the shop every year. They imported the Amoroso rolls which I find to be one of the key ingredients to the steak sandwich. I haven't been back in a while but it was a welcome alternative to Subway.

Here in Durham, there are a couple of Jersey Mike's. If I remember correctly they also use the hard roll and I've been meaning to go there.

[devildeac]

No, I left Thursday at noon after hitting Geno's and Pat's as noted above.

Oh, BTW, it is called Reading Terminal, not Reading Market. I wish I had gone back to Hershel's instead of G's and P's. That pastrami really was good.

And I can't believe that DevilDeac is PW'ing in my thread. Another few days and he'll pass me in # of posts. Of course, if you counted the old SBBS, he'd still be about 10,000 short :D

Just trying to provide some useful culinary comments to the posts at hand. We were out of town 3/21-3/26 or I would have tried to provide some suggestions earlier. Did you see the travel section of the n&o on Sunday, 3/23? They had several suggestions of joints that served great roast pork samwiches(sic) in Philly. I was not aware that was a Philly phenomenon and that they were a great alternative to a PCS. Next time bizness takes you to the city of brotherly love, you will have 2 choices for dining: PCS AND roast pork samwiches.

[devildeac]

Jersey Mikes-not a bad transplant to the south from the Jersey shore. There is a BOGO coupon in the n&o today so methinks I will be there at lunch today with my Dad. Hungry already. YMMMMM.

OZZIE, how did Pat's or Geno's compare to Sami's in Selma? Or did I miss that comparison? (just trying to give you ample opportunity to stay ahead of me in the PWing:D )

[ArkieDukie]

This thread inspired me to buy the ingredients to make Philly cheese steak sandwiches. First wine, now cheese steak. Maybe I should stay away from any of the food/beverage-inspired threads...

[OZZIE4DUKE]

OZZIE, how did Pat's or Geno's compare to Sami's in Selma? Or did I miss that comparison? (just trying to give you ample opportunity to stay ahead of me in the PWing:D )

See my post #28 in this thread, where I said

I liked Geno's a bit better than Pat's, but to be honest, neither is as good as what I can get at Sami's in Selma, NC.

Both Geno's and Pat's are over rated.

And you know I'm just bustin' your chops a bit. No way am I ever going to catch up to you once you pass me in # of posts.

[devildeac]

See my post #28 in this thread, where I said


And you know I'm just bustin' your chops a bit. No way am I ever going to catch up to you once you pass me in # of posts.

I realized that. Why do you think the smilies are there and they are used so often. Hope you had a productive trip to Philly. Shoulda told me you were going or called. Had a cheese steak today at Jersey Mikes. Need to make a trip to Sami's soon-his are better:( :D .(but not THAT much better)

[ugadevil]

In Jupiter, Florida, (just a little north of West Palm Beach) there's a place called Baldino's. The owner, Sal Baldino, moved from Philadelphia years ago, but still orders the rolls from Philly. The cheese steak was the best one I've ever had, and I ordered it with provolone, peppers, and onions. Man...I wish I could get one of those for dinner.

[Indoor66]

In Jupiter, Florida, (just a little north of West Palm Beach) there's a place called Baldino's. The owner, Sal Baldino, moved from Philadelphia years ago, but still orders the rolls from Philly. The cheese steak was the best one I've ever had, and I ordered it with provolone, peppers, and onions. Man...I wish I could get one of those for dinner.

It is actually in Tequesta, just north of Jupiter. I was up there today, though I did not stop there I have in the past. I wish I had thought of Baldino's, I would have stayed and had dinner there! :)

[ugadevil]

It is actually in Tequesta, just north of Jupiter. I was up there today, though I did not stop there I have in the past. I wish I had thought of Baldino's, I would have stayed and had dinner there! :)

Touche. I put Jupiter since I didn't think anyone would have a clue as to where Tequesta was. I'd recommend Baldino's for various things.
Great calzones, sandwiches, and pizza. Also, the owner is always there when I go and he always gets around and talks to his customers.

Next time you're there, go to Baldino's...and then drive over to Jupiter Island and stare at all the big houses.

[devildeac]

Portland, Oregon-well, technically Milwaukie, a few miles south of Portland is the location of Philly Steak and Cheese (I think that name is correct as I have not been there in several years). Steve, the owner, still 'imports' his rolls and steak from Philly, and even brews his own beer-quite a good combination:D :D . His sammiches are delicious and quite 'authentic'. Look it/him up next time any one visits the City of Roses.

[budwom]

Wish I'd seen this thread earlier, as one who made and still has a stained glass cheesesteak in his house (the subject of an article in the Philadephia Inquirer).

Several thoughts: While one can argue all day about who has the best cheesesteak in town, almost EVERY decent corner sandwich shop makes a good cheesesteak. Years ago I was partial to Jim's on South St., but you could get a very nice cheesesteak in hundreds of places.

Much of this is due to the roll, the key ingredient in my book, and the reason why cheesesteaks outside of Philly tend to be bogus.

In Philadelphia, the Amoroso bakery supplied almost every cheesesteak shop in town, and their roll was (and presumably still is) truly magnificent. Crisp on the outside, but soft inside. The perfect Italian roll. If it ain't on an Amoroso roll, it can't taste like a really Philly cheesesteak.

Cheez Wiz: yes, the thought is abhorrent, but in fact The Wiz is pretty much the perfect ingredient, and should be applied with a pain stirring stick from a molten can of Wiz sitting on a corner of the grill.

If you want to lose a Presidential election, just ask for your steak with swiss cheese. That should do it.

[hughgs]

Wish I'd seen this thread earlier, as one who made and still has a stained glass cheesesteak in his house (the subject of an article in the Philadephia Inquirer).

Several thoughts: While one can argue all day about who has the best cheesesteak in town, almost EVERY decent corner sandwich shop makes a good cheesesteak. Years ago I was partial to Jim's on South St., but you could get a very nice cheesesteak in hundreds of places.

Much of this is due to the roll, the key ingredient in my book, and the reason why cheesesteaks outside of Philly tend to be bogus.

In Philadelphia, the Amoroso bakery supplied almost every cheesesteak shop in town, and their roll was (and presumably still is) truly magnificent. Crisp on the outside, but soft inside. The perfect Italian roll. If it ain't on an Amoroso roll, it can't taste like a really Philly cheesesteak.

Cheez Wiz: yes, the thought is abhorrent, but in fact The Wiz is pretty much the perfect ingredient, and should be applied with a pain stirring stick from a molten can of Wiz sitting on a corner of the grill.

If you want to lose a Presidential election, just ask for your steak with swiss cheese. That should do it.

I completely agree with being able to find a good cheesesteak almost anywhere. But, I think if you're trying a cheesesteak for the first time one is required to go to Pat's and/or Geno's for a bit of authenticity. Then branch out. Heck, I practically lived off of cheesesteak sandwiches in Middletown, DE during high school.

As an aside, and something that bugged me for a long time, I really miss those neighborhood places that abound in the Philadelphia area (including NJ and DE). It's just not the same in Durham.

[devildeac]

Wish I'd seen this thread earlier, as one who made and still has a stained glass cheesesteak in his house (the subject of an article in the Philadephia Inquirer).

Several thoughts: While one can argue all day about who has the best cheesesteak in town, almost EVERY decent corner sandwich shop makes a good cheesesteak. Years ago I was partial to Jim's on South St., but you could get a very nice cheesesteak in hundreds of places.

Much of this is due to the roll, the key ingredient in my book, and the reason why cheesesteaks outside of Philly tend to be bogus.

In Philadelphia, the Amoroso bakery supplied almost every cheesesteak shop in town, and their roll was (and presumably still is) truly magnificent. Crisp on the outside, but soft inside. The perfect Italian roll. If it ain't on an Amoroso roll, it can't taste like a really Philly cheesesteak.

Cheez Wiz: yes, the thought is abhorrent, but in fact The Wiz is pretty much the perfect ingredient, and should be applied with a pain stirring stick from a molten can of Wiz sitting on a corner of the grill.

If you want to lose a Presidential election, just ask for your steak with swiss cheese. That should do it.

The same comments can also be made about a really, really good hoagie. You can put all your quality salami, ham, capicola, turkey, lettuce, tomato, onion, oil, vinegar and spices you want on a roll, but the Amoroso variety is the classic. Ymm. How about a ymm, hoagie thread?

[Lavabe]

The same comments can also be made about a really, really good hoagie. You can put all your quality salami, ham, capicola, turkey, lettuce, tomato, onion, oil, vinegar and spices you want on a roll, but the Amoroso variety is the classic. Ymm. How about a ymm, hoagie thread?

In St. Louis, Amighetti's bakery (in the heart of the Hill) is the standard in hoagie/sub/whatever-you-want-to-call-it roll. In St. Louis, if it isn't on an Amighetti roll, it's not a real sub.

Cheers,
Lavabe