Lost: What They Died For

[JasonEvans]

Comments on the the penultimate episode of Lost go in this thread.

Now that we are just hours away from another new episode, I am going to do my best to revert back to the hopeful and supportive fan. Consider the disillusioned and bitter dude to be banished until at least 10pm tonight ;)

-Jason "ahhh, I like myself better already" Evans

[OZZIE4DUKE]

"Jack" was on Letterman last night and said nothing about "the ending". This morning on Regis and Kelly he did say that he was satisfied with the ending, and that yes, he has seen it (I guess referring to the several endings they shot and he knew which one they chose).

If Jack's satisfied, I take that as a good sign. :cool:

[DukieBoy]

I would expect Richard and/or Ben to make an appearance tonight. They've been gone for a long time and it seems like they would be brought back prior to the season finale.

[JasonEvans]

I would expect Richard and/or Ben to make an appearance tonight. They've been gone for a long time and it seems like they would be brought back prior to the season finale.

Yup, Desmond too.

-Jason

[El_Diablo]

Yup, Desmond too.

-Jason

And Miles.

El "that's all I got so far" Diablo

[2535Miles]

And Miles.

El "that's all I got so far" Diablo
Yes, I will be watching. :D

[airowe]

Consider the disillusioned and bitter dude to be banished until at least 10pm tonight ;)

-Jason "ahhh, I like myself better already" Evans

I'm going to be banned?!? :D

[Wander]

I'm also going to make the fan personality switch, but in the opposite direction. I don't remember any of the second-to-last episodes being basically anything other than a big set-up for the finale. So I wouldn't expect any big answers tonight. Maybe just bringing Desmond, Miles, Ben, and Richard back into the fold while having more of the characters head to the hospital/police station in the flash-sideways world. That doesn't mean it can't be an enjoyable episode (Charlie's "Greatest Hits" in Season 3 was excellent), but I wouldn't it to erase the bad taste in our mouths from Across The Sea, at least from the mythology perspective.

Now the final episode, that's another story.

[weezie]

I'm in. But I expect somebody to do something extra special tonight. I'll say Kate. She's kind of the parallel for the mother figure from last week, old "too much bashing of heads" chick.
It's really over the top now.

[JasonEvans]

I expect somebody to do something extra special tonight.

This is code for "I expect somebody to die/sacrifice themself tonight," right?

--Jason "I expect no deaths tonight, but a couple (at least) in the final 2 1/2 hours" Evans

[A-Tex Devil]

2 lines of Ben dialogue and a crapload gets explained. It's that easy, and that subtle -- they don' t have to connect the dots at all. Nice job. Although, I imagine many will disagree.

[Newton_14]

Well you guys were right. The gangs all here so to speak. We have now seen all of the above in the first 12 minutes.

Sawyer looks a bit p'od, ya think?

[JasonEvans]

Ahhhhhh... that's better. I feel so much better now. Who was that jerk who hated Lost last week?

--jason "note, the above was written halfway through tonight's episode-- DVR still has 30 mins to go but I am so happy right now!" Evans

[El_Diablo]

R.I.P. Richard. We hardly knew ye.

[DukeUsul]

Having Ben back and involved makes things so much better. Especially when he's "bad."

I'm pretty flexible in my opinion/desire for how this ends. As long as we don't get midichlorians I'm going to be happy. I'd rather have ambiguity over what the light is than to find out that it is midichlorians.

[Jfrosh]

So much better than last week. I missed Ben, so glad he is back to his old self. The second half was slower than the first, but oh my the first half really felt like Lost in it's prime.

[Duvall]

R.I.P. Richard. We hardly knew ye.

You think he's dead? I think the show would have made that more explicit.

[Newton_14]

You think he's dead? I think the show would have made that more explicit.

No one survives Smokey! Fear The Smoke Monster!:D

[El_Diablo]

You think he's dead? I think the show would have made that more explicit.

Yes...Both Ben and Richard were put on the spot...which one is Locke here to confront? Who ties into the ultimate endgame? They both put themselves on the line, but only one of them could be right. There was a short amount of suspense, when I realized one was right and one was dead.

Richard's dead. Unless you think Locke just wanted to "temporarily stun" him or something.

[El_Diablo]

As long as we don't get midichlorians I'm going to be happy. I'd rather have ambiguity over what the light is than to find out that it is midichlorians.

Yes...THANK YOU!!!

[OZZIE4DUKE]

R.I.P. Richard. We hardly knew ye.


You think he's dead? I think the show would have made that more explicit.


No one survives Smokey! Fear The Smoke Monster!:D
If Smokey could have killed Richard, he'd have done it 100 years ago. I think Richard is still alive.

Great penultimate episode!

[JasonEvans]

If Smokey could have killed Richard, he'd have done it 100 years ago. I think Richard is still alive.

Great penultimate episode!

Smokey did not need him, so he threw Richard out of the way. I agree, he did not kill him. I agree we would have seen something far more explicit if Richard had been killed -- like a dead body laying on the ground.

-Jason

[El_Diablo]

If Smokey could have killed Richard, he'd have done it 100 years ago. I think Richard is still alive.

Maybe he had no reason to do it 100 years ago. Or maybe he needed Richard for something since then (e.g., lead Ben to the statue to kill Jacob, amongst many other things that brought the characters to where they are now).

Seriously, he could have killed Eko the second the dude stepped onto the island, but...for whatever reason...he waited. When Eko finally died, were we supposed to think, "no, he didn't just kill Eko...he could have done that a month ago!"...? I'm not sure how the timing of a kill somehow legitimates it, so the fact that this happened late in the series shouldn't mean anything. More to the point, I honestly don't see why he'd be spared at this point. The storytelling was actually pretty clever in juxtaposing two people (former associates) who were convinced that they each represented the missing link in the path Locke was treading. They both gambled. Richard lost.

Of course, you could be right, and Richard will be waking up in the middle of the jungle in the next episode with the camera centered on his mascara'd eye. I really have no idea where TPTB are going. But I personally think Richard is dead, just as I thought Jin and Sun were dead a couple weeks ago. It's just the show's style...and I think it's a little too late to be pulling those kinds of stunts.

[El_Diablo]

Richard will be waking up in the middle of the jungle in the next episode with the camera centered on his mascara'd eye.

Okay, on second though, this is entirely plausible. I really have no idea what to make of that scene.

[A-Tex Devil]

Just found out the finale was Sunday..... so glad I found out now instead of Monday.

[Big Pappa]

Okay, on second though, this is entirely plausible. I really have no idea what to make of that scene.

Me either. IMO by the most confusing show on television. I'm so psyched to watch then I do and afterwards I look at my buddy and say, "WHAT just happened???"

[JasonEvans]

A couple more quick comments--

So, some of ya'll think Richard was made virtually immortal by Jacob, did not age for hundreds of years, and then Smokey kills him with a quick toss into the jungle... really?

Ben was promised dominion over the Island once Smokey leaves and then a few minutes later Smokey says he is going to use Desmond to destroy the Island. I wonder how Ben feels about that deal? I am 100% convinced Ben is putting on an act and will be integral in helping to defeat Smokey wen the time comes.

When Hurley said, "I didn't know Anna Lucia would be here..." it was hysterical. Hurley truly is 100% aware of his island life in the LAX world and I am sure the rest of our heroes will be very soon. A few weeks ago I predicted they would all be brought together at the hospital. Now I am convinced they are all headed to Jack's son's concert. Jack's wife will be there too. Dollars to doughnuts it is Juliet.

I am bothered that Whidmore's story is over and there are a ton of unanswered questions about him that remain. What were the "rules" he and Ben played by. The show seemed to try to explain away Whidmore by having him say, "Jacob came to me and convinced me of the error of my ways." Uhhhh, I call lame,lame, lame on that one. Ahhh well, in the grand scheme of things, I can live without these answers I suppose.

--Jason "more later... loved the episode!!" Evans

[northernduke]

Does anyone think that the water Jack drank is effectively a "placebo"? That somehow it will be the power of belief that will provide Jack with the fortitude necessary to do whatever it is he has to do?

[JG Nothing]

A couple more quick comments--

So, some of ya'll think Richard was made virtually immortal by Jacob, did not age for hundreds of years, and then Smokey kills him with a quick toss into the jungle... really?

If Jacob can make it impossible for MIB to kill people, then why not make the candidates immortal? Regardless, I am sure Richard is still alive.


Ben was promised dominion over the Island once Smokey leaves and then a few minutes later Smokey says he is going to use Desmond to destroy the Island. I wonder how Ben feels about that deal? I am 100% convinced Ben is putting on an act and will be integral in helping to defeat Smokey wen the time comes.

That was weak writing. There was no need for Flocke to tell Ben his intentions. It was obviously just to let the audience know what Flocke was going to try to do. They could have done that another way.


When Hurley said, "I didn't know Anna Lucia would be here..." it was hysterical. Hurley truly is 100% aware of his island life in the LAX world and I am sure the rest of our heroes will be very soon. A few weeks ago I predicted they would all be brought together at the hospital. Now I am convinced they are all headed to Jack's son's concert. Jack's wife will be there too. Dollars to doughnuts it is Juliet.

I agree, it will be Juliet. The real question is, why would Hurley and many of the others want to leave the side-ways world? I hope they don't have some kind of "Matrix" like explanation. They already ripped off "Pulp Fiction."


I am bothered that Whidmore's story is over and there are a ton of unanswered questions about him that remain. What were the "rules" he and Ben played by. The show seemed to try to explain away Whidmore by having him say, "Jacob came to me and convinced me of the error of my ways." Uhhhh, I call lame,lame, lame on that one. Ahhh well, in the grand scheme of things, I can live without these answers I suppose.


I think we may get more Whidmore background when Eloisie (inevitably or hopefully) confronts the Lostaways at the concert in the sideways world.

Overall, an excellent episode (although I have a theory about why it was so good and the previous one was so bad).

[JG Nothing]

2 lines of Ben dialogue and a crapload gets explained. It's that easy, and that subtle -- they don' t have to connect the dots at all. Nice job. Although, I imagine many will disagree.

Which two lines are you talking about?

[Duvall]

I am bothered that Whidmore's story is over

I guess this is my last chance to say this, then.

It's Widmore, not Whidmore. It's never been Whidmore.

[budwom]

I guess this is my last chance to say this, then.

It's Widmore, not Whidmore. It's never been Whidmore.

Wat's the difference?

[OZZIE4DUKE]

I guess this is my last chance to say this, then.

It's Widmore, not Whidmore. It's never been Whidmore.


Wat's the difference?
What's the difference between Shelden and Sheldon? One is right and one is wrong - one played for Duke and one didn't. It's that simple. :cool:

[mkirsh]

When Hurley said, "I didn't know Anna Lucia would be here..." it was hysterical. Hurley truly is 100% aware of his island life in the LAX world and I am sure the rest of our heroes will be very soon. A few weeks ago I predicted they would all be brought together at the hospital. Now I am convinced they are all headed to Jack's son's concert. Jack's wife will be there too. Dollars to doughnuts it is Juliet.




I think everyone will be there - I would bet the concert is the same thing as the museum benefit that Eloise was planning, which Charlie was supposed to play. That means that Miles will be there and probably drag Sawyer, Charlotte will be there, Chang, Eloise, Widmore, Farraday, and Jack, with Des and Kate en route. I'll bet that Hurley and Sayid's mission is to round up Claire, Sun, and Jin and bring them as well.

I would also bet against Juliet - I heard that the reason Modern Family is filming in Hawaii is so Julie Bowen (Jack's ex Sarah) could be there to film part of Lost as well. (by the way, the ukulele "eye of the tiger" in MF was incredible).

Overall very good episode, the first episode of the season that finally felt like things were moving in one direction, rather than exploring new ideas. Loved Sawyer's use of "Flocke", as well as Jacob's "it's just a line of chalk in a cave, the job is yours if you want it" - a subtle dig at the audience to not go crazy over every little detail. Although Jacob did say "I will tell you why they died" as they headed to commercial break, and I'm not sure he ever really answered that question.

Can't wait for the finale, but at least we don't have to wait a full week!

[A-Tex Devil]

I think everyone will be there - I would bet the concert is the same thing as the museum benefit that Eloise was planning, which Charlie was supposed to play.


Ding ding ding. Yes, it's likely the concert Jack's son is playing at, but the important thing is that it's the party Eloise is throwing. Didn't she tell Desmond right after he had his epiphany that "it's not time yet" or something?

Also -- the 2 lines of dialogue I mentioned were "That's where I summoned the monster." and "Only this whole time, he's been summoning me."

Without hitting us over the head with a hammer (ahem, FlashForward), it confirms what many of us had thought --that Ben was able to summon the monster and that MiB had been posing as Jacob vis a vis his dealings with Ben this whole time. There are some inconsistencies there (e.g. why Richard didn't course correct him), but I think the general gist is that Smokey has been long conning as many people as he can for years in order to find the right person to kill Jacob. Isn't that one of the central themes of the show -- the Long Con?

[JG Nothing]

Overall very good episode, the first episode of the season that finally felt like things were moving in one direction, rather than exploring new ideas. Loved Sawyer's use of "Flocke", as well as Jacob's "it's just a line of chalk in a cave, the job is yours if you want it" - a subtle dig at the audience to not go crazy over every little detail. Although Jacob did say "I will tell you why they died" as they headed to commercial break, and I'm not sure he ever really answered that question.


If Kate is no longer a candidate because she is now a "mother," then why was the name Kwon still on the wall? Jin and Sun are also parents. We never learned why they died and I doubt we will get a reasonable explanation. Also, is Jacob delusional or being ironic when he claims he is giving the candidates a choice that he never had?

[JG Nothing]

Also -- the 2 lines of dialogue I mentioned were "That's where I summoned the monster." and "Only this whole time, he's been summoning me."

Without hitting us over the head with a hammer (ahem, FlashForward), it confirms what many of us had thought --that Ben was able to summon the monster and that MiB had been posing as Jacob vis a vis his dealings with Ben this whole time. There are some inconsistencies there (e.g. why Richard didn't course correct him), but I think the general gist is that Smokey has been long conning as many people as he can for years in order to find the right person to kill Jacob. Isn't that one of the central themes of the show -- the Long Con?

Yes, I remember that line. Although, as you say, by this point, it merely confirms what was pretty obvious.

[northernduke]

Jacob referenced needing to protect the light. Did the light not go out when Jacob through his brother into the cave?

[JG Nothing]

Comments on the the penultimate episode of Lost go in this thread.

Now that we are just hours away from another new episode, I am going to do my best to revert back to the hopeful and supportive fan. Consider the disillusioned and bitter dude to be banished until at least 10pm tonight ;)

-Jason "ahhh, I like myself better already" Evans

The "Totally Lost" videos for 5/18 are great! If you didn't see them, check it out. Welliver and Pellegrino are hilarious.
http://www.ew.com/ew/video/0,,20313460_20313475,00.html?bcpid=75281507001&bclid=64100614001&bctid=86386095001

[DukieBoy]

Does anyone think that the water Jack drank is effectively a "placebo"? That somehow it will be the power of belief that will provide Jack with the fortitude necessary to do whatever it is he has to do?

I felt the same way. The way it was done and the dialogue during it made it seem like Jacob was putting on a show. Something tells me he knows who it's going to be, but he simply putting on a show right now.

My money is on Sawyer

[Jmac1970]

I also loved that as usual Miles had one of the best lines when he walked into Ben's secret closet and saw the door to the underground passage and said, "What is that? A secreter room?"

Had to laugh at that one.

[ncexnyc]

After reading the majority of LOST threads on this board I would say that no matter what happens Sunday night a number of people are going to be very disappointed.

I don't think this is a bad thing, it's more of a statement on how each of us views the different characters, the way each of us processes the information we view, and how far we are willing to go in letting D&C tell their story without us writing our own finale in our mind.

Way back when I referenced a scene from "Gladiator", where Maximus asks a crowd, "Were you not entertained?" I hope after Sunday night we won't judge this show by just that one episode and we can all answer, "YES, we were entertained."

[Udaman]

This episode was really the opposite of last week's. There was a tense feeling. There was terrific acting. There were old questions answered. There were almost no new questions posed. There were killings and plot advancement. There was Evil Ben (but is he really). There was Jack as the candidate (but is he really). There was Richard being killed (but was he really).

Overall, it was (IMHO) a terrific episode, and reminded me of all that I enjoyed about Lost over the years. I will miss these guys.

The people we will definitely see next week are Juliet and Penny. And yes, Sun and Jin will be at the concert as well. Somehow the alternate timeline will affect the island timeline, but I'm not sure how. I would guess that the island is indeed destroyed, and the alternate timeline will be come the reality (and Flocke will be gone).

Very excited now.

Again, just a great episode. Maybe they created the awful one last week just for the sake of contrast.

[mkirsh]

I felt the same way. The way it was done and the dialogue during it made it seem like Jacob was putting on a show. Something tells me he knows who it's going to be, but he simply putting on a show right now.

My money is on Sawyer

Interesting. Jack asked Jacob "how long do I have to do this" and Jacob said something like "as long as you are able". I assumed he meant a couple thousand years, but Jack may be "able" for only a couple of hours, and then have to turn it over to someone else?

[alteran]

You think he's dead? I think the show would have made that more explicit.

Ironically, when the show quickly kills people with no fanfare that's when I think they're dead. It's when they ALMOST totally make clear that they must be dead that I have doubts.

[JG Nothing]

Again, just a great episode. Maybe they created the awful one last week just for the sake of contrast.

LOST is great when it focuses on characters, action, and raising questions. Across the Sea bombed in my opinion because it tried to tackle the mythology.

[alteran]

2 lines of Ben dialogue and a crapload gets explained. It's that easy, and that subtle -- they don' t have to connect the dots at all. Nice job. Although, I imagine many will disagree.

No, I liked that a lot. (I assume you're referring to the "I thought I was summing the monster, but he was summoning me.")

[alteran]

Seriously, he could have killed Eko the second the dude stepped onto the island, but...for whatever reason...he waited.

FWIW, Eko was not supposed to be killed, but the actor wanted out, so they accommodated him. I wouldn't read too much into that, as the writers HAD to wing it there.

[alteran]

I heard that the reason Modern Family is filming in Hawaii is so Julie Bowen (Jack's ex Sarah) could be there to film part of Lost as well. (by the way, the ukulele "eye of the tiger" in MF was incredible).

Wow, I didn't realize that was the same actress. Eye of the Tiger was absolutely hilarious.


I think everyone will be there - I would bet the concert is the same thing as the museum benefit that Eloise was planning, which Charlie was supposed to play. That means that Miles will be there and probably drag Sawyer, Charlotte will be there, Chang, Eloise, Widmore, Farraday, and Jack, with Des and Kate en route. I'll bet that Hurley and Sayid's mission is to round up Claire, Sun, and Jin and bring them as well.

Don't be shocked if Charlie changes his mind after a meeting with Desmond, either.


Loved Sawyer's use of "Flocke", as well as Jacob's "it's just a line of chalk in a cave, the job is yours if you want it" - a subtle dig at the audience to not go crazy over every little detail.

I also loved Sawyer's "God complex" joke, it was a good way to both show us the old Sawyer, and when Kate hassled him over it I thought he showed how much he has changed when he said, "yes, I know."

I also liked the "it's just a line of chalk" line, but missed it being a message to the audience, but I think you're right. The "how come you don't just smoke your way around the island" answer from Flocke was another clear meta message.

[alteran]

If Kate is no longer a candidate because she is now a "mother," then why was the name Kwon still on the wall?

Because of his family history, maybe Jacob only counts motherhood-- fatherhood might be, uhm, optional to Jacob since he never had one. The Kwon on the wall could have always just meant Jin.

[JasonEvans]

By the way, as proof that this was a much better epsiode, it got an average score of 4.64 from the weekly DarkUFO reader poll. This is the second highest score of any episode from this season (second only to Ab Aeterno) and the 7th highest in the 4 seasons that DarkUFO has been ranking episodes.

-Jason "let's hope the finale is #1" Evans

[mkirsh]

This interview is a few weeks old but just read it and hand't seen it posted here.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/8/

A few quotes that are pretty scary, like:

Lindelof: But when you spend time with a 3-year-old, you quickly find out that one question just begets another—there’s a “why” in the wake of every “why”—and the only way to end the conversation is to say, “Oh look, a Chuck E. Cheese!” The show is doing its best to say, “Oh look, Chuck E. Cheese!"

Cuse: I think there’s this essential human desire to have a unified field theory. Everyone is like, “I want to unlock the single secret to Lost.” There isn’t any one secret. There is not a unified field theory for Lost, nor do we think there should be, because philosophically we don’t buy into that as a conceit.



But also some that give more hope for a good ending:


Lindelof: The worst thing we could ever do is not end it, or go with some bullI'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.ty ending like a snowglobe or a cut to black. That was genius on The Sopranos, but The Sopranos isn’t a mystery show. For us, we owe our best version of a resolution here.



Either way, we'll know for sure in a few days.

[ForeverBlowingBubbles]

Interesting. Jack asked Jacob "how long do I have to do this" and Jacob said something like "as long as you are able". I assumed he meant a couple thousand years, but Jack may be "able" for only a couple of hours, and then have to turn it over to someone else?

I think Jack will be joined and will protect the island with one or more of the other characters.

[airowe]

Anybody willing to make a wager that the last 3 words we'll hear on Lost are "You all everybody"?

[Lord Ash]

Again, what annoys me about the show is that all the inconsistencies that people are trying SO desperately to explain somehow are simply inconsistencies created by guys who didn't know how long their show would be, and so wrote in a bunch of stuff that they have basically said was filler and not connected to the story.

So it is pointless to ask why Smokey didn't kill Richard before, or why so and so did so and so... it could be on purpose, or it could just be the writers had no idea what they were doing.

Eh. Still done with the show... and DOUBLY done now that their stupid finale goes until 11:30 at night on a SUNDAY, and I have to be up at 5:30 Monday morning for work. Too bad I'll miss the end... but I don't particularly care.

[2535Miles]

Anybody willing to make a wager that the last 3 words we'll hear on Lost are "You all everybody"?
I hope not. Drive Shaft has to be one of the worst, fictitious bands I've had to endure. They will not be missed when Lost is gone.

[A-Tex Devil]

Again, what annoys me about the show is that all the inconsistencies that people are trying SO desperately to explain somehow are simply inconsistencies created by guys who didn't know how long their show would be, and so wrote in a bunch of stuff that they have basically said was filler and not connected to the story.

So it is pointless to ask why Smokey didn't kill Richard before, or why so and so did so and so... it could be on purpose, or it could just be the writers had no idea what they were doing.

Eh. Still done with the show... and DOUBLY done now that their stupid finale goes until 11:30 at night on a SUNDAY, and I have to be up at 5:30 Monday morning for work. Too bad I'll miss the end... but I don't particularly care.

What people? Certainly not the show creators. They have NEVER said all the questions would be answered. It's their story after all. It's like a novel and much is left to interpretation. You can't blame the show runners for the promos that claim "You'll get answers" because that's the network putting that together, not the show producers.

Little things like who built the statue, who was shooting at the folks in the outrigger, etc. frankly don't need to be explained for the overall mythology to work.

And now that it's clear that this show is based in the mystical and their isn't a scientific explanation (which, frankly, is better, because a scientific explanation would either be so hackneyed and broad that it would insult our intelligence, or so complicated as to lose the average viewer), I don't need to know what causes the electromagnetism, just that the island has it, it has something to do with the source, and it is what people are always after when they come to the island.

You put on 120 odd episodes whihc are beholden to networks, actors, etc. and some things are going to get lost in the cracks and made up on the fly. But there is an overarching story of characters, and, frankly, general island mythology, that is working for me. Maybe I'm not critical enough. But that's usually not the case when negative criticism is warranted. To each his own here.

[ncexnyc]

Can't get enough LOST? Here's another interesting read. http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/05/19/lostwatch-your-mission-should-you-decide-to-accept-it/

Not a bad theory, until you remember when Ben sent his crew to snatch the pregnant women and his directions were, "If any of them are stupid enough to get in your way, kill them," or something like that.

[JasonEvans]

It is worth noting as we approach the end that we still have no freaking idea how to kill MIB/Smokey/Flocke. Clearly bullets ain't doing it. Widmore seemed to think he could kill it with a mortar shell, though I am skeptical of that.

There is an implication that it can die via a knife to the chest -- but Sayid tried that and it did not work. Some say that because Sayid let it speak to him first, that rendered the knife useless. I am not buying that. FLocke has now spoken to everyone on the Island at this point. It is also worth noting that Ben and Jacob spoke extensively in the Statue Foot before Ben knifed Jacob, which says to me that this whole "knife him before he speaks to you" thing is just nonsense.

Well, 2.5 hours left to find out how to kill him... if he even can be killed.

-Jason "sad to see it go-- but eager for the end" Evans

[alteran]

It is worth noting as we approach the end that we still have no freaking idea how to kill MIB/Smokey/Flocke.

Trick him into watching the Nicky and Paolo episode. Or the last episode of The Sopranos.

Either one should finish him off.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

It is worth noting as we approach the end that we still have no freaking idea how to kill MIB/Smokey/Flocke. Clearly bullets ain't doing it. Widmore seemed to think he could kill it with a mortar shell, though I am skeptical of that.

There is an implication that it can die via a knife to the chest -- but Sayid tried that and it did not work. Some say that because Sayid let it speak to him first, that rendered the knife useless. I am not buying that. FLocke has now spoken to everyone on the Island at this point. It is also worth noting that Ben and Jacob spoke extensively in the Statue Foot before Ben knifed Jacob, which says to me that this whole "knife him before he speaks to you" thing is just nonsense.

Well, 2.5 hours left to find out how to kill him... if he even can be killed.

-Jason "sad to see it go-- but eager for the end" Evans
Since when did we start thinking that anyone was going to kill Flocke/MIB/Smokey? Just because Kate said it and Jack agreed with her? I thought the whole idea was to keep him contained on the Island, as he has been for the last 2,000 years, and before?

You know, Smokey reminds me of the "malevolent entity", the blob of oil, that killed Tasha Yar. Some ancient society from elsewhere in the galaxy imprisoned him on the uninhabited Earth millions of years ago, and created the magnetic energy field as a prison to hold him. Have I just explained the Island to everyone's satisfaction? :cool: I could live with this.

[ncexnyc]

Trick him into watching the Nicky and Paolo episode. Or the last episode of The Sopranos.

Either one should finish him off.

I wasn't wild about TPTB adding Nicki and Paolo to the mix, but I thought they did a great job killing them off. The episode was a great stand alone episode and I really thought the twists in it along with the final scene were great.

[mkirsh]

It is worth noting as we approach the end that we still have no freaking idea how to kill MIB/Smokey/Flocke. Clearly bullets ain't doing it. Widmore seemed to think he could kill it with a mortar shell, though I am skeptical of that.

There is an implication that it can die via a knife to the chest -- but Sayid tried that and it did not work. Some say that because Sayid let it speak to him first, that rendered the knife useless. I am not buying that. FLocke has now spoken to everyone on the Island at this point. It is also worth noting that Ben and Jacob spoke extensively in the Statue Foot before Ben knifed Jacob, which says to me that this whole "knife him before he speaks to you" thing is just nonsense.

Well, 2.5 hours left to find out how to kill him... if he even can be killed.

-Jason "sad to see it go-- but eager for the end" Evans


I'm hoping for more explanation of Jacob's "rules" - right before Ben killed Jacob he said to Locke "you finally found your loophole", which is what I guess allowed Jacob to be killed. I assume there will be some similar "loophole" in the rules allowing Smokey to be killed. Maybe Ben will again be the one to do it.

[DukeUsul]

I'm hoping for more explanation of Jacob's "rules" - right before Ben killed Jacob he said to Locke "you finally found your loophole", which is what I guess allowed Jacob to be killed. I assume there will be some similar "loophole" in the rules allowing Smokey to be killed. Maybe Ben will again be the one to do it.

Great idea. I think it would be perfect if it were Ben to kill both of them.

[InSpades]

I'm very much looking forward to sunday... I don't know if I've ever actually looked forward to a series finale this much.

I'm guessing that they are able to kill Flocke in the end. Some combination of Desmond and Widmore's "equipment" left in the outrigger. The equipment got too much time last episode not to play a reasonably big part in the finale.

I'm curious how the 2 timelines are merged. It seems pretty certain that somehow there has to be a happy ending for atleast some of the main cast members. Kate in particular seems like she will end up living "happily ever after" (or if not her at the very least Claire, someone to take care of Aaron).

Will we see Rose and Bernard at some point? I'm guessing they have to show up eventually... no?

[Wander]

There is an implication that it can die via a knife to the chest -- but Sayid tried that and it did not work. Some say that because Sayid let it speak to him first, that rendered the knife useless. I am not buying that. FLocke has now spoken to everyone on the Island at this point.

Actually, there's one person left on the island who Flocke has never spoken with. Though it would seem odd for Miles to play such an important role in the endgame.

[A-Tex Devil]

MiB's loophole for Jacob (and the candidates) is pretty easy. MiB can't kill Jacob, but he can set in motion events where someone else takes an action that does so (whether purposely or accidentally).

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Since when did we start thinking that anyone was going to kill Flocke/MIB/Smokey? Just because Kate said it and Jack agreed with her? I thought the whole idea was to keep him contained on the Island, as he has been for the last 2,000 years, and before?
OK, I just re-watched the last half of the episode and at Jacob's campfire pow wow they talk about killing Flocke. When asked if he can be killed, Jacob even says "I hope so, or this won't end well."

[El_Diablo]

FLocke gets Ben to help him by promising him the island after he leaves. At the end of the episode, he tells Ben he is going to destroy the island.

So if Ben wasn't already just playing along to undermine FLocke's plan, then he's got a reason to do so now.

[DukieBoy]

It is worth noting as we approach the end that we still have no freaking idea how to kill MIB/Smokey/Flocke. Clearly bullets ain't doing it. Widmore seemed to think he could kill it with a mortar shell, though I am skeptical of that.

There is an implication that it can die via a knife to the chest -- but Sayid tried that and it did not work. Some say that because Sayid let it speak to him first, that rendered the knife useless. I am not buying that. FLocke has now spoken to everyone on the Island at this point. It is also worth noting that Ben and Jacob spoke extensively in the Statue Foot before Ben knifed Jacob, which says to me that this whole "knife him before he speaks to you" thing is just nonsense.

Well, 2.5 hours left to find out how to kill him... if he even can be killed.

-Jason "sad to see it go-- but eager for the end" Evans

If they want to stick to the "stab him before he talks to you" theory, I don't recall Flocke talking to Rose or Bernard. I don't know if they'll bring them back, but there is people left he hasn't talked to

[cf-62]

Again, what annoys me about the show is that all the inconsistencies that people are trying SO desperately to explain somehow are simply inconsistencies created by guys who didn't know how long their show would be, and so wrote in a bunch of stuff that they have basically said was filler and not connected to the story.

So it is pointless to ask why Smokey didn't kill Richard before, or why so and so did so and so... it could be on purpose, or it could just be the writers had no idea what they were doing.

Eh. Still done with the show... and DOUBLY done now that their stupid finale goes until 11:30 at night on a SUNDAY, and I have to be up at 5:30 Monday morning for work. Too bad I'll miss the end... but I don't particularly care.

Whoa is me. I can't do 5 hours of sleep one time - ever - so I can watch the finale of Lost after 6 years.

[mr. synellinden]

From NYT critic Mike Hale (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/arts/television/21lost.html?hpw).

[gus]

If they want to stick to the "stab him before he talks to you" theory, I don't recall Flocke talking to Rose or Bernard. I don't know if they'll bring them back, but there is people left he hasn't talked to

He hasn't talked to the the sideways losties either. Maybe somehow the storytellers are intending to merge the two frames, so to speak.

[JasonEvans]

From NYT critic Mike Hale (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/arts/television/21lost.html?hpw).

Wow, that is a really interesting take on the show. Not sure I agree with all of it (I think the end of season 3 was as good as season 1 and how he overlooked Michael Emerson's acting is beyond me), but his overall point about fans expectations for the show is a good one. It is not soemthing I had thought about much but it really is interesting.

-Jason "there is a sense of relief at the end-- it is very different from how I felt when other favorite shows left the air" Evans

[ncexnyc]

An interesting take on the show and it's evolution. I really can't buy into what he's saying however, as the only reason the show is still going is because of the hardcore fans. The casual, "It's cool to talk about Lost at the water cooler" fan is long gone. D&C played to the hardcore fan base and knowing they had a set amount of time to wrap things up should have done a better job of crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's. It's very possible that after Sunday night they may actually do this, that remains to be seen.

[snowdenscold]

CNN had a link to "30 key deaths on Lost". I'd forgotten how many "main" characters had been killed. What I found interesting though was that they left off Lapidus (who certainly got a lot more screen time than some of the other people in the list). Maybe CNN knows something we don't? (I kid, I kid)