Panther Fans

[moonpie23]

i've still got a little spit-up in my mouth....even tho they won......should we just merge this with the redskins thread? they both seem very similar this season...

ugh..

we barely beat maybe the next to last bottom feeder in the league......

play calling? brutal...

[hc5duke]

i've still got a little spit-up in my mouth....even tho they won......should we just merge this with the redskins thread? they both seem very similar this season...

ugh..

we barely beat maybe the next to last bottom feeder in the league......

play calling? brutal...

didn't watch the game but 65yds passing yards to go with 2 interceptions? ouch... though i suppose that's pretty typical of delhomme this year.

[DevilCastDownfromDurham]

Been a Panthers fan my entire life, but never much of Delhomme fan (he seems like a really great guy who just makes really bad decisions over and over and over and...) After the debacle in the playoffs last year I decided to boycott watching the games until we made some effort to upgrade the QB spot, or at least find something like a backup. So far I've stuck to it and could not be happier with my decision. Sounds like the same old story: mindless run-up-the-middle playcalling, drives killed by Jake's bad decision-making, John Kasey saving the day when he can. Obviously the organization doesn't care what I think, but my Sundays have been much happier. :)

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Me thinks it is time for Delhomme to go. I understand that Zack Asack is available on the free agent market... :eek:

[davekay1971]

Jake's a trainwreck at this point. Seems like a nice enough guy, but the Jake Delhomme era clearly jumped the shark against Arizona in the playoffs. He's not going to recover. He's been a big factor in the Panther's losses this season, and yesterday they had to overcome their own quarterback to win. Was anybody surprised at that pick he threw in the fourth quarter? There's no excuse for the organization to stand pat at that position this offseason.

On the bright side, Julius Peppers actually came to play for two weeks in a row! This should be something you expect from a highly paid professional athlete, but for JP, playing with effort and intensity is something new and exciting. Maybe he just needed that fat seven-figure-per-game paycheck to light a fire.

[Misunderestimated]

It's strange to feel this bummed after a win, but it is what it is. I'm a big Jake fan, but it's time for Jake to go back to the farm. Sadly, he seems to be the best option in order for the Panthers to be in a spot to get a "W"....or at least I have to assume that's what the people in the front office are betting on. I certainly hope they know more football than I do.

I just can't get behind Peppers. It's great when he has those 3 or 4 games a season where he shows up, but the rest of the time he puts more effort into laughing and chatting with the opposing players. I would have been fine with him walking after last season.

[Highlander]

I didn't think the team as a whole played that badly. The defense held Tampa Bay to 7 points, and Pepp had two sacks as well as several key plays. In addition, "Double Trouble" ran for 230 yards and 3 TD's on that "mindless run up the middle offense," including an 8 minute, 14 play 4th quarter drive to win the game. If not for the INT and kickoff return, this would have been a 28-7 win.

The special teams were bad, with Wesley making an inexcuseable early hit on punt coverage, a missed FG (from 50+), and a kickoff TD return. However, everyone knew special teams would suffer b/c of the huge $ paid to Pepp and Jake this year. Jake was atrocious again, and seems to just be off this season. The only reason he's still playing is that the Panthers really have no better options on their roster.

Even with Jake, the Panthers were clearly the better team, and two big plays made a game that shouldn't have been close a bit of a nail biter. Then again, that's Panther football in a nutshell. They aren't called the "Cardiac Cats for nothing." Watching them is enough to give you a heart attack.

[moonpie23]

all the second guessing will sound kind of moot when they go to 13-3:eek:

[weezie]

Y'know, I love reading these football fan threads....seeing as how I'm still a Lions fan and (pathetically, I know) still happy over our one pitiful win a few weeks ago. I feel like the Little Match Girl with my one tiny light of cheer!

Someday I too will have a thread of my own with BlazinDW and BD80 and we will dance in Motown again!!!!!

[bjornolf]

Been a Panthers fan my entire life, but never much of Delhomme fan (he seems like a really great guy who just makes really bad decisions over and over and over and...) After the debacle in the playoffs last year I decided to boycott watching the games until we made some effort to upgrade the QB spot, or at least find something like a backup. So far I've stuck to it and could not be happier with my decision. Sounds like the same old story: mindless run-up-the-middle playcalling, drives killed by Jake's bad decision-making, John Kasey saving the day when he can. Obviously the organization doesn't care what I think, but my Sundays have been much happier. :)

You've been a Panthers fan "your entire life"? Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

[DevilCastDownfromDurham]

You've been a Panthers fan "your entire life"? Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

I'm 31 and still have promotional Panthers gear from when they debuted while I was in high school. So I guess I've been a Panthers fan for their entire life. :)

[BD80]

Y'know, I love reading these football fan threads....seeing as how I'm still a Lions fan and (pathetically, I know) still happy over our one pitiful win a few weeks ago. I feel like the Little Match Girl with my one tiny light of cheer!

Someday I too will have a thread of my own with BlazinDW and BD80 and we will dance in Motown again!!!!!

Not this year, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. If we can get Suh or McCoy in the first round to anchor the defensive line, and take advantage of a deep draft class...

Oh wait, were you kidding???

My problem is that having been rewarded for sticking it out with the Steelers, I am loathe to give up on my adopted Lions. I was also rewarded for my devotion for to Blue Devil basketball, although I freely admit that I had absolutely no expectation they would ever be successful.

[bjornolf]

I'm 31 and still have promotional Panthers gear from when they debuted while I was in high school. So I guess I've been a Panthers fan for their entire life. :)

Fair enough. When did they join the league, 1995-ish?

[Matches]

Panthers' first season was 1995.

I'm heartened by the two straight wins, but eventually we're going to have be able to complete a forward pass - preferably to one of our own players.

The schedule gets brutal after this weekend.

[moonpie23]

could they trade peppers for TO?

[DevilCastDownfromDurham]

could they trade peppers for TO?

I'm actually very happy with the receivers we have. Smitty is great and I'm still glad to have Moose back. As mentioned, the problem is at QB and the new contract we gave Jake is just an albatross.

[moonpie23]

don't get me wrong...i love me some moose.....but he is getting slow.....having a legitimate threat like TO would take some of the heat off smitty......


and i still believe in jake.......13-3 baby.....13-3

[DevilCastDownfromDurham]

don't get me wrong...i love me some moose.....but he is getting slow.....having a legitimate threat like TO would take some of the heat off smitty......


and i still believe in jake.......13-3 baby.....13-3

A great WR is always welcome, but I'd argue we have so many other areas that are so much worse right now, any major trades we make need to address those areas first. And as much as I've been disappointed with Pepp's attitude he's still one of our better pieces. If we want to trade him for 3-4 young guys with an eye to the future I might be on board. Trading him for another WR wouldn't necessarily improve the team very much, IMO.

I'd also argue that we probably don't need another combustible (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/panthers/2008-08-01-camp-fight_N.htm)locker room personality (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/panthers/2002-11-22-smith_x.htm) . . .

[Matches]

So what do we do about this QB situation?

Clearly Jake has been horrible this season. He shows no signs of turning things around. You can't play a ball-control offense with a turnover machine at QB. Just doesn't work.

OTOH you only make a change if a change makes you better? Do A.J. Feeley or Matt Moore offer better alternatives?

Yesterday was brutal.

[aimo]

My brother has been wanting to recycle my nephew's Jake Delhomme costume and have my niece wear it this year. I suggested she wear the jersey and a bag over her head.

[sue71]

My brother has been wanting to recycle my nephew's Jake Delhomme costume and have my niece wear it this year. I suggested she wear the jersey and a bag over her head.

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Matches]

On the radio this morning they suggested that anyone dressing up as Jake glue their hands to the sides of the helmet in the now-patented "OMG I threw it to the wrong team AGAIN!" pose.

[BD80]

If your kid dresses as Jake Delhomme, does he have to throw all of his candy to the other kids?

[DUKIECB]

I just heard that Jake tried to commit suicide after the game Sunday. It was a failed attempt though as someone intercepted the bullet.:D

[moonpie23]

News flash - jake still piloting the hindinburg....

[moonpie23]

Ahhhh.....a new day, a new month.....


what bountiful gifts from the panther's efforts do we receive today?

[DukeCO2009]

All said, a great game today. Granted, he wasn't asked to do much, but I think staying mistake-free will go a long way toward rebuilding Jake's confidence. BTW, I've been BEGGING Fox/Davidson to call that fake smoke screen all year. We run the regular screen to him so often that the fake is bound to work once a game or every other game. As long as Jake can hit him it's six every time, and he threw a beautiful ball today. Wish we could have the Buffalo game back, because a team that can shut down the Arizona passing attack can hang with just about anyone. I'm excited about the rest of the year, although the schedule doesn't exactly lend itself to turning the season around.

[camion]

It's not that hard to win when the opposing quarterback has a Delholmmeesque day.






(I just wanted to use the word "Delholmmeesque" (TM) in a sentence.)

[moonpie23]

dood...i TOTALLY use the term "DAN MORGAN" when someone has a concussion...

[Highlander]

dood...i TOTALLY use the term "DAN MORGAN" when someone has a concussion...

Morgan (v) - To injure an athlete in a sporting event so that he sits out subsequent games. "That hit likely Morganned him for the season."

[moonpie23]

Morgan (v) - To injure an athlete in a sporting event so that he sits out subsequent games. "That hit likely Morganned him for the season."

"dood!!! did you see that hit? he's definitely gonna have a dan morgan !"

[moonpie23]

drinks on me if the cats beat the aints....

[BD80]

drinks on me if the cats beat the aints....

Oh. You must be one of those sloppy drunks.

[moonpie23]

y'all can COUNT on it...


swipe your amex's in that imaginary sports soul credit swap for a panther win against the league's 2nd best team and the top shelf is on the house....

[Highlander]

drinks on me if the cats beat the aints....

I will say that a Panthers win vs. the Saints would be par for the course. This franchise has a history of winning games they should lose, and losing games they should win. Last year was certainly an exception to that, but so far they've managed to lose at home to Buffalo and then beat the Cardinals on the road.

Such a frustrating team to pull for.

[DukeCO2009]

Morgan (v) - To injure an athlete in a sporting event so that he sits out subsequent games. "That hit likely Morganned him for the season."

Alternate definition:

Morgan (n) - A huge cash inflow that comes only after one is physically unable to perform up to expectations.

"Sarah got a raise while she was on maternity leave? Since when does this company give out Morgans?"

[moonpie23]

looking like some injuries are popping up for the cats tomorrow... :(

we've beaten NO numerous times with field goals.......having kasay listed as questionable along with stuart is not giving me the warm and fuzzies..

[moonpie23]

Must....hand.....ball......to.....runner !

[dukegirlinsc]

This has gone from amazing...to disappointing. To be expected!

Jake Delhomme has some stellar high-school-pass-completion-yardage. Ugh.

[dukegirlinsc]

...and queue tragedy. :mad:

"We left 'em off the hook!"

[DevilCastDownfromDurham]

Still not watching the games (and happier for it) but can there be any question at this point that this team needs to be blown up? New coach, buy Jake out, do what we can to get a young QB and a fresh start.

[Highlander]

Still not watching the games (and happier for it) but can there be any question at this point that this team needs to be blown up? New coach, buy Jake out, do what we can to get a young QB and a fresh start.

Panthers started out well, then couldn't do anything offensively. Despite being outplayed by NO for most of the game, they were only down 3 with 4 min to go. No Panther fan should be disappointed with being down 3 to NO on the road with the ball, 4 min to go, and < 50 yards of field between you and the end zone. The fumble on the 1 yard line with under 2 min to go pretty much sums up the season so far; untimely turnovers costing us winnable games.

The Panthers already traded away their 1st round pick for next year, so they will have to build via FA at least for next year. IMO, the only way to do that is to dump/trade Peppers and get 2-3 quality starters to replace him. They can dump Jake, but not without a viable option to replace him, and that ain't Matt Moore.

If the Panthers cut John Fox, he'll get a new coaching job in a matter of hours. In my mind, that would be the worst mistake they could make. He's 68-52 in his career with a 5-3 record in the playoffs. Both of the other coaches in our history have losing records.

Get rid of the GM (Hurney) and whoever signed Jake to that ridiculous contract, cut Moose and get a WR who can get open in single coverage, and cut Peppers and spend the $ on a DE and a QB with some promise. But don't cut Fox. At least not yet.

[BD80]

... If the Panthers cut John Fox, he'll get a new coaching job in a matter of hours. In my mind, that would be the worst mistake they could make. He's 68-52 in his career with a 5-3 record in the playoffs. Both of the other coaches in our history have losing records.

Get rid of the GM (Hurney) and whoever signed Jake to that ridiculous contract, cut Moose and get a WR who can get open in single coverage, and cut Peppers and spend the $ on a DE and a QB with some promise. But don't cut Fox. At least not yet.

You realize that Carolina is one of the few teams Bil Cowher would be willing to coach? As good as Fox may be, Cowher is an upgrade. He is one of those:

"He can beat your guys with his guys, then trade sidelines and beat his guys with your guys"

[JasonEvans]

Are folks really talking about firing a guy one year after he went 12-4? Really?

Wow. Even if Cowher is available, and he's a great coach, John Fox is not the problem in Carolina, IMO.

--Jason

[davekay1971]

Fox is not the problem.

The Panthers have a good running game and respectable defense. The problem is right there behind center - Delhomme has ranged from being a complete disaster to being barely serviceable this season. He's got a killer running game which ought to be opening up the pass. You put any number of quarterbacks in that position, in that system, the Panthers would be better off.

I agree that they need to upgrade their number 2 receiver - Moose just isn't able to get open the way he once was.

Peppers isn't worth the money they're paying him, by a long shot, but they shopped around for him in the offseason and basically ended up being stuck with him. If they can find someone to take him and get decent value for him, they should move him.

So: dump Peppers if possible, draft a number 2 receiver, and see about picking up a serviceable quarterback in FA who can helm the ship for a couple years while they try to find a young quarterback to build around. I was hoping they'd try to develop a young quarterback before Jake completely jumped the shark, but too late for that now...

[Highlander]

Fox is not the problem.

The Panthers have a good running game and respectable defense. The problem is right there behind center - Delhomme has ranged from being a complete disaster to being barely serviceable this season. He's got a killer running game which ought to be opening up the pass. You put any number of quarterbacks in that position, in that system, the Panthers would be better off.

I agree that they need to upgrade their number 2 receiver - Moose just isn't able to get open the way he once was.

Peppers isn't worth the money they're paying him, by a long shot, but they shopped around for him in the offseason and basically ended up being stuck with him. If they can find someone to take him and get decent value for him, they should move him.

So: dump Peppers if possible, draft a number 2 receiver, and see about picking up a serviceable quarterback in FA who can helm the ship for a couple years while they try to find a young quarterback to build around. I was hoping they'd try to develop a young quarterback before Jake completely jumped the shark, but too late for that now...

Agree with everything. As for the young QB, I'd rather see them pick up a serviceable backup from another club and give him a shot to start than waste a high draft pick on an unproven QB. Picking up a QB in the draft is a total crapshoot, and it takes at least a year for most rookie QB's to get their footing. There are exceptions (Flacco, Ryan), but they are few and far between.

[BD80]

Are folks really talking about firing a guy one year after he went 12-4? Really?

Wow. Even if Cowher is available, and he's a great coach, John Fox is not the problem in Carolina, IMO.

--Jason

First, allow me to admit my bias: I am a Steeler fan who would like to see Cowher return to coaching, but be in a city where is least likely to bite the Steelers, where I won't be constantly reminded that he no longer coaches the Steelers, and where he will be happy.

That said, Fox's last four years are: 8-8, 7-9, 12-4, and 3-5. Their division has been one of the weakest in the NFL. And the 12-4 season featured games against Detroit, Oakland, KC, and da Bears when they were ready to run Orton out of town. The Saints were 8-8 last year.

Two of this year's three wins are against 1-7 Tampa and 2-6 Washington. One of the five losses was at home against 3-5 Buffalo.

Even though the running game appears to be back on track (Wiliams is averaging 137 rushing yards over the last four games) Carolina has a tough schedule to finish the year, five of eight are at home, but only one "gimme" (the streaking Bucs, fear the Creamsicle!) and one other losing team, the Fins. They also play the Saints (8-0), the Vikings (7-1), @Pats (6-2), the Falcons, @Jets, and @Giants in December. Finishing 7-9 will be an accomplishment. 5-11 is not out of the question.

If Fox doesn't finish strong, Cowher would be a good fit. The Panthers are a strong, defensive-minded running team with strong character (except for Peppers). There wouldn't be much turnover of personnel. Cowher could lure some former Steeler players and coaches, as well as generally make the Panthers an attractive spot for quality, cost-effective free agents. He will also be willing to cast off the high price prima donnas like Peppers, who bust the salary cap and hurt team moral.

This is the year to change coaches, after last year's turnover, there should be many more experienced coaches available than jobs. You have Cowher, Holmgren, Shottenheimer, Herm Edwards, Shanahan, and Gruden among the "big-name" head coaches out there and coordinators like Leslie Frazier and Russ Grimm available. Conversely, there may not be that many jobs available - Mangenious is toast in Cleveland and Zorn will be shorn in DC (at least I didn't say skinned, that would be insensitive). Who else is under the gun? Lovie in Chicago? Wade in Dallas? Probably Jauron in Buffalo. There won't be bidding wars for coaches.

I would not want to see Fox in Cleveland, reducing the Steeler bye weeks from three to one. But it is better than seeing Cowher across the sidelines two or three times a year. Fortunately, the Browns aren't bright enough to hire Fox, and I don't think Cowher wants to play the Steelers twice each year. Carolina is his home, what ever happened to Southern hospitality?

[dukegirlinsc]

Are folks really talking about firing a guy one year after he went 12-4? Really?

Wow. Even if Cowher is available, and he's a great coach, John Fox is not the problem in Carolina, IMO.

--Jason

I don't think John Fox is the problem, either. I'm not sure what he has to do with the interception machine. Last season was great, until the interception machine took off.

Keep John Fox, off with Jake.

[Highlander]

That said, Fox's last four years are: 8-8, 7-9, 12-4, and 3-5. Their division has been one of the weakest in the NFL. And the 12-4 season featured games against Detroit, Oakland, KC, and da Bears when they were ready to run Orton out of town. The Saints were 8-8 last year.


I disagree that the NFC South has been one of the weakest in the NFL, especially last year. Last year, 2 NFC South teams made the playoffs, and the third place team in the division was .500. In addition, the Panthers were the only team in the division to win a road game in division play. Compare that to the NFC West or the AFC West, where SD won the division at 8-8, or where Arizona clinched during week 9 or something ridiculous like that.

IMO, the NFC South has been the 1st or 2nd TOUGHEST division in the NFC since it's inception, and the last 4 years are no exception.

As for Cowher, I think that's a pipe dream. He's shown absolutely NO indication of wanting to come out of retirement. He'd be a good fit here, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a #2 name. Herm Edwards or John Gruden? I'd take Fox anyday over those two.

[moonpie23]

Cowher knows the job is his when they decide to shed foxy...he doesn't need to show desire to come out of retirement...

[soccerstud2210]

Cowher knows the job is his when they decide to shed foxy...he doesn't need to show desire to come out of retirement...

please. shed fox. shed interception man

[Rogue]

As much as I like Fox, I am concerned with his choices in Offensive and Defensive Coordinators,, We return approx, 20 of 22 starters off a decent, not great 12-4 team, and we have played decent in just two games. We beat Az and lost to Nu Awleans,, the other games we've not played well at all,, even in the wins..

As long as Jake is a Panther, I support him and HOPE he does better..

We can all see where other players made, make mistakes every game.Against Nu Awleans last week, Smitty slips and misses a catch, fumbles by Stewart and Williams.. missed tackles on big pass plays.. they're still my team.

Jake does not have the confidence of management, coaches etc. He won't get to air he ball out again. With that in mind, it's the NFL and ya can't play and win consistantly with out throwing the ball more than we do. So I think Jake has to be history.. my favorite player and if he can't be trusted, then he should be traded for what ever we can get, and eat some of the salary.

IF Matt Moore was better, we should play him.. He apparently isn't and that's why we'd rather play Jake and not let him throw it.. that too is sad, that we can't even get a sniff at playing a QB and letting him throw it. It's the NFL, you HAVE to be able to THROW THE BALL DOWN FIELD.

This is priority ONE in the off season. It's the most important position on the field, and I know Peppers is playing better, but if it takes trading Peppers for a draft pick, or a player ( QB ) that's what needs to be addressed.


Bill Cowher was a ver good coach. I'm not bashing him at all. But did you know in his last 10 years of coaching he had seasons of 7-9, 6-10, 9-7, and 8-8. Yes he had a 15-1 season, and the next year won a Super Bowl. He can certainly coach in the NFL..

Seiferd had a good record before he came here.. sheesh.. it was 98- 29 .. then he promptly went 8-8, 7-9, and 1-15 with us.

My point is, IF he were a PANTHER COACH,, we would have been eating him alive as well..

Some Panther Fans aren't happy no matter what. When we're 12-4, they're just waiting for the first sign of a bad game to start all the bandwagons lol..

Cowher would be no more a savior than Seifert was. IMHO



GOOOOOOOOOO PANTHERS, beat Atlanta T O D A Y

[moonpie23]

good game from the cats....hope jordan gross is not too bad.....

[riverside6]

good game from the cats....hope jordan gross is not too bad.....

broken ankle is what i read

[Highlander]

Had fun at the game Sat, and loved the punter's hit on the Falcon return guy. That was a thing of beauty. We definitely played our best offensive game of the year IMO. Injuries are starting to mount, however, as Gross, Davis, and Kemoyatu are all done for the year. Plus Williams is dinged up, and word is that Peppers has a messed up/broken hand. Pep only played on passing situations. Without Pep and Davis in the lineup, our defense is going to have problems stopping the run.

The rookies in the secondary have been a pleasant surprise, however. With Godfrey injured, Martin and Marshall have more than filled the gap. Godfrey may not get his starting spot back at the rate they are going. In addition, the running backs are finally in gear, Jake has gone 3 straight games without a turnover, Moose is getting open and catching passes, and even Smitty is seeing the end zone again.

It will be a short week to prepare for the Dolphins on Thursday, and a tough matchup with their running attack. However, the cats are definitely playing much better ball than they were a few weeks ago.

[CLT Devil]

Are folks really talking about firing a guy one year after he went 12-4? Really?

Wow. Even if Cowher is available, and he's a great coach, John Fox is not the problem in Carolina, IMO.

--Jason

Fox would have another head coaching job, if he so desired, if the Panthers fired him. These folks who are calling for his gead are crazy. The thing is, they were saying the same things LAST YEAR! It is true he has never out back to back winning seasons together, but just look at the Falcons who have never done it in their entire history.

I agree that Fox is ultimately responsible for the playcalling, which has been pretty bland in the past. Fans wanted to blame it on Dan Henning, but look at the Wildcat in Miami. A 12-4 season, a loss in one of the closest Super Bowls ever and on top of that another trip to the NFC Championship game all in the 7 years he's been here...I know a lot of cities that would die for that kind of success. He has drafted well, runs a clean program (Smitty aside) and does well with the city. His negatives are that he never gives more than lip service to the media, he says that a punt is not a bad play and made a couple of bad contract moves (Delhomme, Jake - 3 year extension).

The thing that has killed us this year has been turnovers. We do have a very tough schedule this year, but there's never an easy game in the NFL.

Rogue, I must disagree that Jake doesn't have the confidence of the coaches/management...they let him go no huddle the last game and he did well. I think a lot is the O-Line hasn't done well in pass protection and other than Stevie there's not a lot of options on who to throw to, although I think Rosario is a stud.

Anyway, don't count us out just yet. Injuries have really hurt, but that happens to everyone. I think Cowher could do well of course, but it's not like he won the Super Bowl every year he was in Pitt...or that he would even take the job.

[Rogue]

Fox would have another head coaching job, if he so desired, if the Panthers fired him. These folks who are calling for his gead are crazy. The thing is, they were saying the same things LAST YEAR! It is true he has never out back to back winning seasons together, but just look at the Falcons who have never done it in their entire history.

I agree that Fox is ultimately responsible for the playcalling, which has been pretty bland in the past. Fans wanted to blame it on Dan Henning, but look at the Wildcat in Miami. A 12-4 season, a loss in one of the closest Super Bowls ever and on top of that another trip to the NFC Championship game all in the 7 years he's been here...I know a lot of cities that would die for that kind of success. He has drafted well, runs a clean program (Smitty aside) and does well with the city. His negatives are that he never gives more than lip service to the media, he says that a punt is not a bad play and made a couple of bad contract moves (Delhomme, Jake - 3 year extension).

The thing that has killed us this year has been turnovers. We do have a very tough schedule this year, but there's never an easy game in the NFL.

Rogue, I must disagree that Jake doesn't have the confidence of the coaches/management...they let him go no huddle the last game and he did well. I think a lot is the O-Line hasn't done well in pass protection and other than Stevie there's not a lot of options on who to throw to, although I think Rosario is a stud.

Anyway, don't count us out just yet. Injuries have really hurt, but that happens to everyone. I think Cowher could do well of course, but it's not like he won the Super Bowl every year he was in Pitt...or that he would even take the job.

I think he played well, and passed well in the game against Atlanta too.. I think I was still refering to the game at Arz where they, he, someone lol, didn't let him pass in the second half. 7-14,, 90 yrds.. not the usual NFL numbers.
The last two games they seemed to have re-opened the play book a little.

We're not out of it.. but there is little room for error.
We can beat these teams coming up if we play our best ball, like we have in the last 3 games. Even though we lost at Nu Awleans, I think we proved we can beat them.
So next up,, MIAMI..

[moonpie23]

what's the story on jake's new "quarterback" coach?

[CLT Devil]

He's actually a neighbor of mine. I don't yet know him but have talked at length with his sister (we walk our dogs at the same time). Apparently he came from Cleveland, where he coached Quinn and Anderson. I always hate to ask, but she says that the QB coach really likes Jake...just a combination of him not being adept at avoiding pressure in the pocket, O-line not giving him time and other teams scheming to not allow Jake to throw to Stevie.

At this point, Jake is our QB for a couple more years (barring a trade) so why not let him have the reigns once or twice. Ultimately Fox would want to run on every play and have Jake just manage the game, hence the KC 2nd half numbers, but there are times we will need to make a play...in the past Steve has bailed us out but now we just need another option. We've have a lot of busts in drafting WR's and not much luck with FA's either. I hope Kenny Moore can come around, and think Rosario has some of the best hands on the team.

[moonpie23]

looks like back to the old cats... :(

[CLT Devil]

Can I take back everything I said? Please?

That was tough to watch Rikey run all over us like that. The game was over when we had that 3 and 1 and went for the downfield pass to Stevie...I know you've got to take your shots, but we needed that first down more.

How many times was Jake sacked on 3rd down...4? Can't win like that. For all the money and press they've gotten about run blocking, our O-line seriously needs to focus on pass protection, but on top of that Jake is one of the worst at anticipating pressure.

Tough year. If we win out we could possibly get a Wildcard:rolleyes:

Hope springs eternal.....

[moonpie23]

Tough year. If we win out we could possibly get a Wildcard:rolleyes:

Hope springs eternal.....

if we WIN OUT.......monkeys will be exiting my pants...

Sun. Nov. 29 at N.Y. Jets 1 p.m. * FOX
Sun. Dec. 6 TAMPA BAY 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 13 at New England 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 20 MINNESOTA 8:20 p.m.* NBC
Sun. Dec. 27 at N.Y. Giants 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Jan. 3 NEW ORLEANS 1 p.m.* FOX

[Heelkiller1]

Why o why are we sticking with Jake. I believe it's time to start looking for the future and lets give Moore a chance . But wether we win all of our remaining games or not , Jake and John Fox are gone at the end of the year. And this is one fan that can't wait for that change.

[moonpie23]

there must be SOMETHING in practice that has the staff convinced that moore will be a disaster if they let him in......

[Acymetric]

Why o why are we sticking with Jake. I believe it's time to start looking for the future and lets give Moore a chance . But wether we win all of our remaining games or not , Jake and John Fox are gone at the end of the year. And this is one fan that can't wait for that change.

If Moore is considered "the future" then I may as well give up on the next ten seasons now. Someone not in the organization and possibly not even in the league is the future for Panthers at QB, and I hope the future starts next season.

[ncexnyc]

if we WIN OUT.......monkeys will be exiting my pants...

Sun. Nov. 29 at N.Y. Jets 1 p.m. * FOX
Sun. Dec. 6 TAMPA BAY 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 13 at New England 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 20 MINNESOTA 8:20 p.m.* NBC
Sun. Dec. 27 at N.Y. Giants 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Jan. 3 NEW ORLEANS 1 p.m.* FOX

Why so down on running the table?

The Jets D is a joke since they lost Kris Jenkins for the year.

The Bucs, while playing better of late are beatable.

The Pats and the Vikings will be tough, but it can be done.

My Gmen have looked very bad against decent teams.

The Saints D has looked rather ordinary the past two weeks and the loss of Ellis in the middle of their D has hurt them alot.

Show some faith, you just might be surprised.

[davekay1971]

if we WIN OUT.......monkeys will be exiting my pants...

Sun. Nov. 29 at N.Y. Jets 1 p.m. * FOX
Sun. Dec. 6 TAMPA BAY 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 13 at New England 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Dec. 20 MINNESOTA 8:20 p.m.* NBC
Sun. Dec. 27 at N.Y. Giants 1 p.m.* FOX
Sun. Jan. 3 NEW ORLEANS 1 p.m.* FOX

I'm guessing about 2-4 over that stretch, making the Panthers a 6 win team...about right for them this year, frankly. They should beat Tampa at home, and I suppose they'll probably steal another win. But, if they went 0-4 over their last four, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

Remembering the Siefert catastrophe, I still have mixed feelings about Fox. Jake's gotta go, though.

BTW, Steve Smith is going to be a bitter man looking back and realizing that he spent is career with Jake Delhomme. Imagine Tom Brady hitting Smith in stride across the middle...

[Heelkiller1]

If Moore is considered "the future" then I may as well give up on the next ten seasons now. Someone not in the organization and possibly not even in the league is the future for Panthers at QB, and I hope the future starts next season.

I'm not saying Moore is the future , but anyone that doesn't throw twice as many INT's than TDs would be an upgrade at this point. Remember thoughs great QB's that sat on the bench with one team only to break out with another . I just want to give the guy a chance before we give him up and watch someone else reap the rewards.

[Highlander]

I'm not saying Moore is the future , but anyone that doesn't throw twice as many INT's than TDs would be an upgrade at this point. Remember thoughs great QB's that sat on the bench with one team only to break out with another . I just want to give the guy a chance before we give him up and watch someone else reap the rewards.

I just think it's ironic that Jake Delhomme rode the pine at New Orleans until Carolina signed him up to backup/challenge/replace the aging Rodney Peete. After a dreadful performance against Jacksonville, Peete is benched and Delhomme comes in and leads the team to an improbable comeback win.

I think Jake has more bad games in him than good, and that it's time to move on. However, Matt Moore is not the answer, at least not this year.

[ncexnyc]

If you're a Carolina fan then you know this team is built to win now and that is why they stuck with Jake.

Smith isn't getting any younger, they've never been able to come-up with a suitable third receiver let alone a replacement for Moose, who is on his last legs.

As we all know they also have never really found anyone worthwhile to replace Wesley Walls at the TE spot.

The defense isn't the bright spot of this team like it was a number of years ago. I'd rate the secondary as average at best. The linebacking corps is very good, but hasn't been able to stay healthy and I believe letting Witherspoon go was a major mistake. The defensive line has a worldbeater in Peppers when he's motivated, but they've also been hurt by injuries.

Finding that franchise QB is a tough task. I know Ryan and Flacco got a great deal of press last year, but neither one of them has been 100% money in the bank this year, it takes awhile and the P Mannings and Tom Brady's are few and far between.

[moonpie23]

look, i'm not defending jake poor performance this year, but ya'll talk about him like he was a hack.

let's not forget that this guy was TIED in the super bowl with about a minute left in the game. cats had an EXCELLENT overtime record that season before our kicker kicked it out of bounds. HACK QUARTERBACKS DON'T GET to that point....

we GOT to that super bowl on a multi-faceted game, one part being jake the gunslinger.....(remember the st louis game?)

he's not having a great year....the PANTHERS aren't having a great year...

should they make plans for post jake? sure.....should we ride over to jake;s house to help him pack? no....

[ncexnyc]

look, i'm not defending jake poor performance this year, but ya'll talk about him like he was a hack.

let's not forget that this guy was TIED in the super bowl with about a minute left in the game. cats had an EXCELLENT overtime record that season before our kicker kicked it out of bounds. HACK QUARTERBACKS DON'T GET to that point....

we GOT to that super bowl on a multi-faceted game, one part being jake the gunslinger.....(remember the st louis game?)

he's not having a great year....the PANTHERS aren't having a great year...

should they make plans for post jake? sure.....should we ride over to jake;s house to help him pack? no....

I believe the phrase is, "What have you done for me lately."

It's a shame people feel that way, but they do. It's even harder not to point the finger at Jake when you look it the way this team played last year coming off of major arm surgery. He seemed primed and ready for a big year, but whether it's the tough schedule, the injuries, or the numerous picks. As is the case in football the QB takes both the majority of the glory or in this case the blame.

[moonpie23]

he woulda been 13-3 last year if it hadn't been for the stupid WIND at giants stadium.

[Acymetric]

look, i'm not defending jake poor performance this year, but ya'll talk about him like he was a hack.

let's not forget that this guy was TIED in the super bowl with about a minute left in the game. cats had an EXCELLENT overtime record that season before our kicker kicked it out of bounds. HACK QUARTERBACKS DON'T GET to that point....

we GOT to that super bowl on a multi-faceted game, one part being jake the gunslinger.....(remember the st louis game?)

he's not having a great year....the PANTHERS aren't having a great year...

should they make plans for post jake? sure.....should we ride over to jake;s house to help him pack? no....

I appreciate what Jake did for the franchise, and always liked him as a QB, until I didn't. I've said for years we needed to get a young QB in that would be able to step in when its time for Jake to go. I think its pretty obvious that the time is now. I think Jake's best years are behind him. He may do better next season (unless we find a rookie who's ready to play, which I doubt we will, he'll be back), but he still won't be able to play well enough to make this team a Superbowl contender. He's getting older, and has had major surgery.

The guy has played his heart out, represented the organization well, and withstood some undeserved vitriol from fans (is it his fault we can't put a good receiving corps together, or that there isn't a QB on the bench that can come in the game and compete/), but that doesn't mean he's time to go. I would love to see Jake come back next season and prove me wrong, I just don't think he will. I don't dislike Jake, but I think its time for him and the organization to move on. Unfortunately, I don't know if they can...who could we bring in to replace him next season?

[Heelkiller1]

I believe the Panthers need to look at the whole team and not just QB.The play calling in some cases ,is awful,the penalties are killing us ,and the turnovers from everyone are ,always unexceptable. The team has along way to go ,but QB needs to become a priority ,and soon. I believe if the franchise at least tries to look for the QB of the future ,the fans (including my self) will ease up on their short comings.

[JasonEvans]

The defensive line has a worldbeater in Peppers when he's motivated...

I am not a big follower of Carolina, but hasn't Peppers repeatedly asked for a trade in recent years? I thought he was mad at Carolina for some reason and wanted out. They slapped him with the franchise tag as the only way to keep him on the team.

Someone correct me if my memory is wrong, but if that is the case, is anyone surprised that he is not motivated and playing hard?

Then again, stud-one-game-play-like-you-wish-you-were-elsewhere-the-next is pretty much what Peppers whole career has been like so far, right?

-Jason "some much potential in his body, so little potential in his head" Evans

[DukeCO2009]

look, i'm not defending jake poor performance this year, but ya'll talk about him like he was a hack.

let's not forget that this guy was TIED in the super bowl with about a minute left in the game. cats had an EXCELLENT overtime record that season before our kicker kicked it out of bounds. HACK QUARTERBACKS DON'T GET to that point....

we GOT to that super bowl on a multi-faceted game, one part being jake the gunslinger.....(remember the st louis game?)

he's not having a great year....the PANTHERS aren't having a great year...

should they make plans for post jake? sure.....should we ride over to jake;s house to help him pack? no....

Agree 100%.

Jake hasn't been great this year, sure, but how about our play calling? For example, we aired it out 40+ times against a Buffalo D that was stingy against the pass and DEAD LAST against the run. Makes no sense whatsoever. We have DeAngelo and Stewart running wild over Miami and start throwing for no reason--again 40+ times. The 3rd and goal from the 7 in the first half where we threw on three straight plays was particularly insane. I just don't get it. Our coaching staff's tendency (not sure if it's Davidson or Fox) to abandon the run for no rhyme or reason is bizarre. I understand throwing when you're down a couple scores late in the game, but the Panthers are doing it when they're down less than a TD and even when they're up. Our o-line is also infinitely better at run-blocking than at is at protecting the pass (see: Dolphins game). Some of the offensive calls are just plain strange...

Jake has actually looked great this year when we've been in the no-huddle, which makes me inclined to believe that he's not "done" like most people think. Some of his picks have been straight overthrows, but plenty of them haven't necessarily been his fault. Remember Smitty busting his slant route at the end of the game (I think it was against Dallas)? There have also been a couple balls our WR's should've caught but were instead tipped and picked off. I don't think it's out of line to suggest that Jake ought to only have 10 INT's right now rather than 14. That's less than Ryan, Warner, and Cutler (among others), the same as Eli and Big Ben, and only one more than Peyton, Brees, and Schaub. Certainly not trying to say that Jake has had a great year, but I think people are overblowing things a bit.

[moonpie23]

it's hard for me to award jake (or any QB) a PICK when it's tipped....

[Misunderestimated]

Matt Moore, please. I think it's time.

[CLT Devil]

Awful, awful, awful.

The first pick was a fluke, the others not so much. When you underthrow Stevie on a long pass you've lost your arm...basically, Steve can still go out and get the ball, just throw it out there and he'll go get it...heck, he and Jake built their reputation on that...I think it's a fundamental error on Jake's part. You throw the ball so that your guy catches it, or it goes over both player's heads.

Today was the final straw for me and Jake. I'm a diehard fan and will watch every game, like a moth to the flame, but today was brutal, much like the Buffalo game. We ran the ball (and actually converted) on three 3rd-and-longs in a single drive. Crazy.

As for Pep, I think his handlers did him a diservice in coming out saying he doesn't want to be in Charlotte. I wouldn't be surprised if he signs a long term deal here. It all came down to money, and they had a huge offer for him. Pep saw what Haynesworth got, wanted more, yet his motivation/love for the game is in question. No doubthe's a game changer, but sometimes you get the feeling he sees Football as a (very lucrative) means secure his financial future, as opposed to it running through his veins like a Jared Allen.

[moonpie23]

so jake has a broken finger? really !!!!????


guess it's a good move to try MM out against the worst team in the league and then if THAT's a train wreck, well i bet jake's finger will be much better next week..


ugh...they have to go to boston and play the cheaters...

[Heelkiller1]

I've been saying that for four weeks now.Jakes got to go and Fox needs to be right behind him.

[moonpie23]

bring on bill cowher and tim teebo....(or colt mccoy actually)

[Heelkiller1]

bring on bill cowher and tim teebo....(or colt mccoy actually)

Can't happen because for the SECOND year in a row we have NO FIRST ROUND PICK. I think our team is trying to suck on purpose.lol

[moonpie23]

trade peppers for one...

[moonpie23]

looks like we WILL see mister moore this sunday against the bucks....

i-yi-yi...

[Heelkiller1]

well if he is the "next diamond in the rough "so to speak . I hope Sunday is the start of a beautiful relationship .lol

[moonpie23]

i was really big on matt when we first got him....my buddy who is a cowboy fan kept telling me what a steal we got on him and that the cowboys' were bummed that we got him..

then the vinnie months, and we thru him under the bus.....now, something has shown the staff that even when jake is really terrible, they can't trust him to come into a game and pick up the slack..

i'm hoping he just explodes...

[Misunderestimated]

I'm glad to see Moore getting the start against the Bucs. My hopes are not that high right now, with hopes of making playoffs pretty unrealistic at this point. I'm not one of those fans that screams for the #2 QB to be put in the game everytime the #1 QB starts stinking it up, but something is seriously wrong with Jake. With Jake's performance this season and Vinnie, Carr and Weinke, from seasons past, I don't think Moore will be the worst QB we've seen in a Panthers jersey. If he can give us a half-decent shot at moving the ball downfield and throws it to guys in Panthers jerseys - not the guys on the other team, I'm cool with that.

[moonpie23]

there's something to be said about the sinking feeling that all the OTHER panthers feel when it starts going south on jake..

just shaking it up a bit and seeing what kind of chemistry can happen with matt is what i'm looking for today..


maybe matt and smitty can do the vulcan mindmeld ....when i think of the positives, i think of matt being able to throw the ball...when i think of negatives, i think about his timing in getting the ball to stuart and williams...

[CLT Devil]

Great to see Stevie catching a long ball today...though would have been great if he scored. Also refreshing to see a defense have 5 picks...and for a change it's not your team.

I didn't think Moore was that great. He had a couple of 'jump balls' that luckily Moose brought down, could have easily had another couple of Int's. In the past I've thought that trading J-Stew for a 1st rd pick or a QB would be a good idea, but seeing him dominate like that when D-Will is hurt makes our trade to get him look pretty good (or did we trade to get Otah?). I know its cliche, but he's a real bowling ball out there.

The announcer today, Lynch, said something I found interesting; He basically said that the Panthers have not had great talent during fox's tenure, and Fox has done a good job with what he has...basically Steve and Julius are the only real superstars on the team. I would say on the defense alone T. Davis, Beason and Gamble are good-to-great. On offense our two running backs are very very good, Gross is good but I would say overrated and Otah needs a longer track record. We do have two of the best special teamers in Baker and Kasay.

Congrats to Kasay for a milestone day.......and why was Gamble back there for the punt return?!?!?!?!?

Wish we could play the Bucs every Sunday. We're not mathematically eliminated yet? How is that? Hope springs eternal..........

[moonpie23]

i agree that matt wasn't that great today, but i will give him some of jake's slack since i've got a pallet of it out back.


next week will be realllllllllly interesting.....in foxboro, against a pissed off bunch of cheaters. i bet matt starts and jake will be dressed out. If matt does well and beats the cheaters, jake is history...if matt crumbles and jake comes in to save the day, well........


oh, i hope we've changed our defensive sideline signals since the SB ;)


stewart did great today, but.....alas, it was the bucs...

[ironduke2009]

Cowher and Tebow, yes, yes please!! I went to the home opener vs. the Eagles, and it was a nightmare. Uggggh. My wife and I vowed not to return this season, even though we really like to go to the games.

[Acymetric]

Cowher and Tebow, yes, yes please!! I went to the home opener vs. the Eagles, and it was a nightmare. Uggggh. My wife and I vowed not to return this season, even though we really like to go to the games.

I'll admit its very possible that I'll be eating crow on this later, but I just don't see Tim Tebow as the answer at QB. Especially not his first or second year, and make no mistake it looks like we need to find an answer next year.

[moonpie23]

will there be any "A-list" qb's on the market next year?

[DevilWolf]

will there be any "A-list" qb's on the market next year?

Lewis, Thaddeus

Undrafted free agent right up the Panther's alley.

[CLT Devil]

Cowher and Tebow, yes, yes please!! I went to the home opener vs. the Eagles, and it was a nightmare. Uggggh. My wife and I vowed not to return this season, even though we really like to go to the games.

I was at that game too....UHHHG was right. I've been offered free tix since then but have not gone back. All of the Ealges fans in the stands, with their Vick jersey's on.....terrible day.

[moonpie23]

well, well, well........peppers actually earns part of his paycheck and matt more does things we didn't think he could do.....like REMEMBER THAT STEVE SMITH IS ON THE TEAM !!!


bye bye jakey-poo...

[Heelkiller1]

Jake is toast , but I hope the coaching staff goes with him

[moonpie23]

so, now it's official....jake is IR for the year.....it's matt's team now..

will everyone start showing off for cowher? or another team?


or just bag it so they don't get hurt in the final two games?

[Highlander]

so, now it's official....jake is IR for the year.....it's matt's team now..

will everyone start showing off for cowher? or another team?


or just bag it so they don't get hurt in the final two games?

If they value their job, they'll play to their ability. I could see some of the marquee guys who's future is secure (smitty, otah, etc) taking it a little less than full speed, but that's dangerous considering that no contracts are guaranteed.

[Acymetric]

If they value their job, they'll play to their ability. I could see some of the marquee guys who's future is secure (smitty, otah, etc) taking it a little less than full speed, but that's dangerous considering that no contracts are guaranteed.

True, but the Panthers aren't going to release guys they know can play just because they quit at the end. At worst they would bench them, but cutting a good player means some other team is going to be able to pick him up and the Panthers would have no guarantee that they could pick up another player of equal ability.

It would be nice if thats how it was, but if a guy quits on the season, he'll probably be back.

[RelativeWays]

I just want to thank you Panther fans for pretty much assuring that NO will be the number 1 seed in the NFC.

[moonpie23]

go saints..... :/

[Heelkiller1]

Great game today ,Stewart is a beast and Moore might be our next full time QB . I wonder how our record would be if Fox would have put him in earlier.

[moonpie23]

man....what a kicking they gave to the giants....


payback for that wind trick they did to us last year that kept us from being 13-3.


matt moore seems very confident...


too bad about smitty.

[Highlander]

Great game today ,Stewart is a beast and Moore might be our next full time QB . I wonder how our record would be if Fox would have put him in earlier.

Good quote on the radio when asked about a "QB controversy." The announcer said there is no controversy. Jake is on IR and Matt stepped up. No one is talking about a LG controversy because Jordan Gross is done for the year. Once training camp rolls around, Moore will be competing on even footing with Jake for the job, just like all the other guys who lost their spots due to injury.

I was impressed that our backup OL and DL guys played so well yesterday. Makes me question a bit why they've been on the bench all year, and only starting now due to injury.

I can't think of a better RB tandem in the league than Williams and Stewart. Both could be an every down back in this league.

[Highlander]

I just want to thank you Panther fans for pretty much assuring that NO will be the number 1 seed in the NFC.

After losing your second in a row to the woeful yucks and with the Panthers up next on the road, NO looks to be making a quick exit from the playoffs this year, no matter their seed. They and Minnesota both peaked a month ago, much like the panthers last year.

[ncexnyc]

After losing your second in a row to the woeful yucks and with the Panthers up next on the road, NO looks to be making a quick exit from the playoffs this year, no matter their seed. They and Minnesota both peaked a month ago, much like the panthers last year.
You could very well be right. Next weekend will be the Panther's Super Bowl and they are going to go all out to make life miserable for the Saints.

[Highlander]

You could very well be right. Next weekend will be the Panther's Super Bowl and they are going to go all out to make life miserable for the Saints.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Carolina_Panthers_season

Remembered that the Panthers had a shot at the playoffs spoiled by the Saints a few years ago, so maybe we can return the favor by ruining home field :)