Epiphany

[CameronBornAndBred]

I just had an epiphany. I realised I have had a life long jealousy that I now know I will never get over, but still appreciate.
I think of music as painting. It's all different layers, colors and tones to combined to form a composition. Every small part represents the whole, and the whole would be less without a line painted or a note played.

But you know why visual artists get the shaft? Because in one blink of an eye you decide if what you are seeing is if what you like. But for a song, you listen for minutes on end before you decide if it's a keeper. Sigh.
Anyways...that's why I make my art pop, but don't make pop art. Epiphany. And bless music. I could not paint without it.

[sue71]

Do you keep an online gallery of your work that we could see? :)

[DukePA]

I just had an epiphany. I realised I have had a life long jealousy that I now know I will never get over, but still appreciate.
I think of music as painting. It's all different layers, colors and tones to combined to form a composition. Every small part represents the whole, and the whole would be less without a line painted or a note played.

But you know why visual artists get the shaft? Because in one blink of an eye you decide if what you are seeing is if what you like. But for a song, you listen for minutes on end before you decide if it's a keeper. Sigh.
Anyways...that's why I make my art pop, but don't make pop art. Epiphany. And bless music. I could not paint without it.

On the other hand, I've always loved that I can enjoy visual art for as long as I want to with no rewinding necessary ;)

[billybreen]

On the other hand, I've always loved that I can enjoy visual art for as long as I want to with no rewinding necessary ;)

What the heck is rewinding?

[devil84]

I just had an epiphany. I realised I have had a life long jealousy that I now know I will never get over, but still appreciate.
I think of music as painting. It's all different layers, colors and tones to combined to form a composition. Every small part represents the whole, and the whole would be less without a line painted or a note played.

I've thought about that a lot over the last few years, as I majored in Art, and now I'm a band parent of a flautist and a drummer. There are many, many similarities between painting and music. Marching band in particular provides visual forms with the music (yes, band camp starts tomorrow, so it's really on my mind!).


But you know why visual artists get the shaft? Because in one blink of an eye you decide if what you are seeing is if what you like. But for a song, you listen for minutes on end before you decide if it's a keeper. Sigh.
Anyways...that's why I make my art pop, but don't make pop art. Epiphany. And bless music. I could not paint without it.

I agree -- mostly. There is some music that you can tell in the first three beats that it's NOT a keeper. And then you have to suffer through the remaining

And there are some works of art that you can take in for hours -- much longer than a tune can be played. For example, being that I'm a fan of cubism and fauvism, I wasn't that interested in going to a Monet show. And once I got there and saw the originals -- they had to drag me out of there. Reproductions just don't do it justice! I could have stayed there MUCH longer looking at just one picture!

Paintings are static. You find one you like, and put it on your wall. It stays there, keeping you company and hopefully brightening your day -- all day, every day. Your family (roommate, coworkers, clients -- depends on where you have this artwork displayed) hopefully enjoys it, too. Try playing one favorite piece of music 24/7 and see how long it remains your favorite (and what the "enjoyment" factor is for those who share your space!).

And music...sometimes the initial performance is the only "good" representation. The recording just doesn't do it justice (much like the reproduction of a Monet just isn't the same as the depth of the original). You had to be there for that performance. The painting, however, remains for a long time.

[hc5duke]

But you know why visual artists get the shaft? Because in one blink of an eye you decide if what you are seeing is if what you like. But for a song, you listen for minutes on end before you decide if it's a keeper. Sigh.
Anyways...that's why I make my art pop, but don't make pop art. Epiphany. And bless music. I could not paint without it.

What about movies? Then you have to sit through a whole movie for hours on end before I decide that Closer was the worst movie ever made and I ask the manager for my money back... but I digress

[Bostondevil]

Seeing Closer on stage made me realize that if I could just get my act together and finish a full length play I ought to be able to find a producer because I'm a much better playwright than that guy. So far, I've only been able to get shorter works down on paper. There's a scene that takes place through email(!?!). Perhaps when it was written email was a new phenomenon but the characters email each other on stage! It's usually done with a big screen set up for the audience to read what's going on! OMG! Lazy pottymouth!pottymouth!pottymouth! writing, I'm serious.

On the artistic note, as a playwright, I actually get to see how my work affects other people. I can hear the laughter (or not, cringe) and I can see a director and actors make choices together to give life to my words. It's a charge, let me tell you.

(I really don't know why the moderators won't let us use that synonym for a donkey.)

[CameronBornAndBred]

Paintings are static. You find one you like, and put it on your wall. It stays there, keeping you company and hopefully brightening your day -- all day, every day. Your family (roommate, coworkers, clients -- depends on where you have this artwork displayed) hopefully enjoys it, too. Try playing one favorite piece of music 24/7 and see how long it remains your favorite (and what the "enjoyment" factor is for those who share your space!).


That's a good point, I hadn't looked at it that way. Just cheered me up!

And for Sue, you can look here. (http://www.wagnerwatercolor.com)

[sue71]

And for Sue, you can look here. (http://www.wagnerwatercolor.com)

I like beach, mtsunset, nysunrise, bulbstring, sneezer, abstract 1big, 2 & 3 the best. :) Nice stuff!

(I'm more a fan of abstracts or photographs. That's what I've got in my apartment.)

[DukePA]

What the heck is rewinding?

Ahh, old school music. I was referring to the fact that if you listened to music on tape, you would have to rewind the tape to listen again.

[CameronBornAndBred]

I like beach, mtsunset, nysunrise, bulbstring, sneezer, abstract 1big, 2 & 3 the best. :) Nice stuff!

(I'm more a fan of abstracts or photographs. That's what I've got in my apartment.)

Thanks, Latta's got some nice stuff too. In the EK forum he mentioned he was working on a painting, maybe we get to see it. Wonder what he listens to. I listen to a bunch of stuff from the late 80's/ early 90's while I paint. And The Sound radio show, good mix of folk-rock.
What got me thinking for this thread was Dave Matthews Band. I love their music, so many layers, and the world music album Peter Gabriel put out. Same deal, tons of layers in that music. Just like painting.

[rsvman]

As a composer, I'd have to say you've got it completely backwards.

Art is far superior, for the following reasons:

1) What YOU paint is what the viewer sees. This is not always true in music composition. I write it a certain way, but when it is performed the conductor interprets it differently or the singers or accompanist make mistakes and the sound that comes out is NOT what I wrote. This can't happen to your paintings. (Imagine if your paintings were watercolors and the gallery owner were allowed to wet his hands and fling water onto your paintings before displaying them.)

2) It only takes two people to share your art. You paint it, and a single person can see it. I write choral music. For my art to be appreciated, I require an entire group of people to make the sounds and someone to listen. I am ALWAYS dependent upon somebody else in order to "display" my art.

3) This was previously mentioned, but your art, once it is created, exists for all time (barring an accident, fire, etc). MINE, on the other hand, only truly exists transiently, usually for about 2-5 minutes at a time. The advantage is that you can show somebody your work, but I can't. If you say, "I'm a painter," an interested person could say, "Really? Let me see some of your work," and you could show them. I say, "I'm a composer." They say, "Really?" but then what? I pull out sheets of music paper and there are notes written on it, and I say, "See?" No. Nobody can appreciate it AT ALL. It could be the most beautiful piece of music in the world but it can't be appreciated unless it is performed.

Feel better now?:)

[CameronBornAndBred]

Feel better now?:)

I certainly appreciate the contrasting way of looking at it, but I don't feel any better knowing you get the shaft, too. :cool:

I like your point on control over art. It would drive me batty having someone else present my work in a way other than I intended. I'm sure the same can be appreciated by BostonDevil and his plays. If I went into a gallery, and they decided to hang my paintings under blue lights, I'd probably rip them all from the walls and take them back home.

[OldPhiKap]

"Two bubbles found they had rainbows on their curves.
They flickered out saying:
'It was worth being a bubble just to have held that rainbow thirty seconds.'"

-- Carl Sandburg

I am a big fan of playing and listening to live music, especially music with an improvisational bent. What is so thrilling about it, when it clicks, is that it is so ephemeral.

[Johnboy]

I certainly appreciate the contrasting way of looking at it, but I don't feel any better knowing you get the shaft, too. :cool:

I like your point on control over art. It would drive me batty having someone else present my work in a way other than I intended. I'm sure the same can be appreciated by BostonDevil and her plays. If I went into a gallery, and they decided to hang my paintings under blue lights, I'd probably rip them all from the walls and take them back home.

Correction in bold above.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Correction in bold above.

Big Fat APOLOGY to BD!!

[colchar]

(I really don't know why the moderators won't let us use that synonym for a donkey.)

Yeah, the filter definitely needs some improvement because, even when not swearing, certain words simply do not make it past the filter no matter how innocent.

Try typing (pottymouth!pottymouth!pottymouth!pottymouth!potty mouth!)cat. See? Something completely innocent yet it can't make it past the stupid filter.